New law in People Republic of California

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RANash

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I know this has been talked about already, but California has yet another stoopid, restrictive, and unconstitutional law going into effect on Jan 1, and my question about it got lost in the other thread, so I'll ask it again and see if anyone has the info:

According to the DOJ, private party transfers are exempt. I assume that means if you have a gun that isn't on the DOJ list and you yourself are not a dealer, I, also not a dealer, can buy it from you (through an FFL, of course).

Do I understand this correctly?

Also, what if the private party seller is out of state? Any difference?

Thanks!
 
You are correct, AFAIK. I haven't talked to the guy that I've done transfers through in the past, but I'm pretty sure you'll still be able to buy new handguns from out of state that aren't on the approved list. Unfortunately, you still have to keep track of the one-handgun-a-month nonsense.
 
Those opinions are what I have also "heard." Also to be considered is that many of the guns will make it back to the approved list as they are "tested."
The test costs $5000 as I hear. So, if you want a low volume gun, probably should get it now.
Everything I hear also applies to the private party transfer.

BUT

I betcha it takes 3 nanoseconds for a private party seller of an "unapproved" gun to get sued for his eyeballs when some ringer buys one and shoots his foot off.

I can't think of a prettier sight than seeing the last shots from "Spartacus" with politicians hanging on the crosses.
 
Actually, I think that the law reads that after 1/1/01, private parties in California may transfer, through an FFL, used handguns whether they are on the "banned" list or not. However, you may not buy a new handgun that is on the list. This would, de facto, include out-of-state internet purchases, for example, since the out-of-state seller must ship the firearm to an FFL in California and it would be illegal for the FFL to handle the transfer. Lavan is correct in saying that many, if not most, of the handguns currently available will be available after the 1st as they are approved. The list is growing. Two of the largest-volume manufacturers, Glock and Sig, are on (Glock) or will (Sig) be on the list. Check out the law and the list on the California DOJ website. This is causing a lot of panic buying. It also is causing confusion that often profits the buyer. For example, a friend of mine was in a California pawn shop this weekend and picked up a like-new Sig 226 for $200!!! The pawn shop owner thought he wouldn't be able to sell the Sig after the first (since it's not on the list yet) and just wanted to get rid of it. Drat! I'm going to have to frequent the pawn shops with my friend!!
 
I spoke with a dealer this afternoon, who told me that ALL used handguns are exempt from the this new law. Therefore, any private party transfer (still has to go through an FFL, of course) is exempt, because the gun is "used" by definition when you're buying from a private party. The seller can be out of state, no difference. The only restriction is that the gun be used. Otherwise, the gun must be on the DOJ list.

Cool.

The dealer, by the way, is a Wilson Combat Master dealer, and he says that Wilson is submitting at least some of his models for CA approval.
 
Used prior to 1/1/01

Anything used, but I believe the manufacturing date must be prior to 1/1/2001. Not so sweet.
 
Chaingun,

You said "Anything used, but I believe the manufacturing date must be prior to 1/1/2001. Not so sweet."

Well, maybe you should consider buying only USED handguns from now on. There must be what, 15 - 20 MILLION of them floating around the US? Talk about PISSING OFF politicians. Do just what they said, the way they said, until they change the rules, as you and I KNOW they will. One handgun a month? Great, that's twelve a year. More than I could afford NEW, but 12 USED handguns are another matter entirely. Not flaming what you said, I just thing you need to consider playing the game, with their rules, until they shut the game down entirely. And then let them try and confiscate what you already have. That's when the fun will begin,wouldn't you say???
 
Wallew,

I don't understand your point (I'm sure that's my fault, not yours <grin>). If we all buy 12 used handguns, and no new ones, we buy up all the used handguns and hurt the pocketbooks of the manufacturers by buying no new guns. How will this piss off the politicians? What would we gain?

Rich
 
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