I finally got to handle a few models at the NRA Convention today. I was pleasantly suprised. I love my CZ-75 and the all steel version felt right at home to me and the miss. We're looking at getting one of the full size .45ACP versions. Haven't been this excited to go gun hunting in a while!
"New" IWI Jerichos
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Limnophile
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What advantages does the IWI offer over the CZ?
Not many really that I'm aware of. After posting that in excitement I'm tossing around either the Jericho or a CZ 97. We are wanting to add a .45acp to our collection. I'm aware the Jericho doesn't have much in The way of aftermarket support. They really feel earily similar since they moved the safety. It just kind of called out to me after holding it.
I like the slight difference in looks and it fit like a glove. Either one would be a range gun. With our collection, the exception of carry guns, we tend to buy very different or unique firearms. Mainly for a variety when we shoot. I guess the Jericho kinda called out because it had that familiar feel but is different enough. To me when I think CZ handguns I always think 9mm and although the 97 is a great gun it just kinda seems blasphemous to cheat on my 75B.
But the best selling point being the miss having wanted it, most of the time I either have to pitch the selling points to her or just get them and deal with it when she discovers the orphans we take in when opens the safe. So it's a get out of the doghouse free purchase!
I like the slight difference in looks and it fit like a glove. Either one would be a range gun. With our collection, the exception of carry guns, we tend to buy very different or unique firearms. Mainly for a variety when we shoot. I guess the Jericho kinda called out because it had that familiar feel but is different enough. To me when I think CZ handguns I always think 9mm and although the 97 is a great gun it just kinda seems blasphemous to cheat on my 75B.
But the best selling point being the miss having wanted it, most of the time I either have to pitch the selling points to her or just get them and deal with it when she discovers the orphans we take in when opens the safe. So it's a get out of the doghouse free purchase!
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Limnophile
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If it's just for shooting, the CZ 97 B is a good gun. If you then decide to Cajunize it -- http://www.cajungunworks.com/cz-97b_-_bd.html -- you have a superb gun.
I think clones are a reasonable choice only if they offer some distinct advantage, such as a steep price discount.
I think clones are a reasonable choice only if they offer some distinct advantage, such as a steep price discount.
g.willikers
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Who actually manufactures the Jericho?
IWI, it's an Israeli company that manufactures Uzi, Galil, and the Tavor.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/iwi-us-announces-return-jericho-941/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/iwi-us-announces-return-jericho-941/
carguychris
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I don't think the most apt and relevant comparison is the original CZ.Limnophile said:
I think the question is how it compares to other CZ clones made by Tanfoglio, Sarsilmaz, and Canik 55.
One major upside is the potential for better factory service, although the jury is still out given that IWI US is an upstart, albeit one with IWI backing. OTOH most of the competing clones are handled by EAA or CIA, neither of which have a sterling reputation.
It's not really about an advantage per se. I guess it's for the same reason people buy 1911's made by companies other than Colt. If your a fan of the CZ design, and the Jericho 941, then it's just neat to see IWI directly import and sell the Jericho through their US branch. Since the 90's, it's been imported by different companies under various names, most recently as the silly "Baby Eagle" designation of Magnum Research. Now Cannik even makes an alloy framed Jericho clone called the Shark.
The Jericho 941 series are handsome, well made pistols in their own right, so if you like the CZ design/layout they would be a nice addition to a collection.
Walt Sherrill
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RE: CZ Clones.
Generally speaking, there aren't any.
The earliest Tanfoglio guns -- in the '80s-- were clones or near clones, but as time passed, they made more and more changes to design details, so that they Tanfoglio guns were no longer clones. Its been quite a few years since anything but some recoil springs and magazines would interchange between a CZ and a Tanfoglio-built gun. (CZ recoil springs have a smaller diameter than Tanfoglio springs, so they swap in one direction only.)
The Tanfoglio-based guns have a slightly better firing pin block system that does affect the trigger pull as much. And newer Tanfoglio guns did away with the magazine brake, changed the hammer spring design, opened up the rear of the extractor channel to keep gunk for impeding extraction, etc., etc.
Many of the changes were done to speed/simplify production.
Many of the guns made in Turkey and Israel started out as license-built CZ-pattern guns, but they've also changed over the years... starting, most of them, with the Tanfoglio version of the CZ design. Some of the latest Turkish-made guns seem to have incorporated features of both the CZ and Tanfoglio pattern, but they all look and feel like CZs in the hand. (Except for .45s, where some of the Tanfoglio-based guns are a bit smaller.)
They're apparently ALL good guns, so the biggest issue is service. If IWI offers that, and if you have problems with some of the Turkish-made guns, and can get them fixed, you're good to go!
Some CZ lovers think that the early Baby Eagles had a slight ergonomic edge over the original CZ. I don't know if that's still the case. (I found the redesigned slide of the Baby Eagles ugly, so I never went there.) Some of the early TA models also had slide-mounted safety levers, too, which turned me off.
Generally speaking, there aren't any.
The earliest Tanfoglio guns -- in the '80s-- were clones or near clones, but as time passed, they made more and more changes to design details, so that they Tanfoglio guns were no longer clones. Its been quite a few years since anything but some recoil springs and magazines would interchange between a CZ and a Tanfoglio-built gun. (CZ recoil springs have a smaller diameter than Tanfoglio springs, so they swap in one direction only.)
The Tanfoglio-based guns have a slightly better firing pin block system that does affect the trigger pull as much. And newer Tanfoglio guns did away with the magazine brake, changed the hammer spring design, opened up the rear of the extractor channel to keep gunk for impeding extraction, etc., etc.
Many of the changes were done to speed/simplify production.
Many of the guns made in Turkey and Israel started out as license-built CZ-pattern guns, but they've also changed over the years... starting, most of them, with the Tanfoglio version of the CZ design. Some of the latest Turkish-made guns seem to have incorporated features of both the CZ and Tanfoglio pattern, but they all look and feel like CZs in the hand. (Except for .45s, where some of the Tanfoglio-based guns are a bit smaller.)
They're apparently ALL good guns, so the biggest issue is service. If IWI offers that, and if you have problems with some of the Turkish-made guns, and can get them fixed, you're good to go!
Some CZ lovers think that the early Baby Eagles had a slight ergonomic edge over the original CZ. I don't know if that's still the case. (I found the redesigned slide of the Baby Eagles ugly, so I never went there.) Some of the early TA models also had slide-mounted safety levers, too, which turned me off.
NJgunowner
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I have the IWI all steel .45acp, great shooting gun. The only thing about them is they're heavy, but hey it helps with recoil and if all else fails throw it!
It has a nice trigger out of the box, you don't have shoot 500 rounds to smooth it out like a cz. Very natural point and shoot. I'm still not sure about the decocker and I wish the slide was a little taller so it'd be easier to pull back. But I really like it, I prefer shooting it over my 1911... mainly because it's so easy to take a part and clean
It has a nice trigger out of the box, you don't have shoot 500 rounds to smooth it out like a cz. Very natural point and shoot. I'm still not sure about the decocker and I wish the slide was a little taller so it'd be easier to pull back. But I really like it, I prefer shooting it over my 1911... mainly because it's so easy to take a part and clean