I just got a few boxes of Federal's non-hollow point expanding metal jacket ammo. Anyone with a comment? I seems like a great idea especially for guns having a hard time digesting HP's. Could this be ok in states that don't allow HP's? Also, the effects of clothing and velocity loss with short barrels apparantly arn't issues.
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New Federal expanding FMJ
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We at Total Tactical Training, Inc. have had the opportunity to feed this new Federal ammo through numerous 1911's, Glocks, Sig's and a few others. It has fed very reliably in everything thus far. We have also seen impressive results from firing it into such items as wet phone books and the likes. And I would have say it does look very promising. When more of it gets out and enough time passes, it will then have built up a history in actual shootings to really prove itself out or not. However, for those not convienced that JHP's are the way to go or they may not be allowed, this may offer up the perfect alternative. I would not hesite to use it as my carry ammo once, repeat, once I have feed 100 rounds or so of it through my carry pistol to make sure there are no feeding problems. which again to date we have not seen.
Good shooting,
Dean
info@totaltacticaltraining.com
Good shooting,
Dean
info@totaltacticaltraining.com
lonegunman
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I am not at all impressed that it will feed better than JHPs.
The profile is very similar to a JHP. It has a flat nose (in 9mm anyway), not a round nose.
The profile is very similar to a JHP. It has a flat nose (in 9mm anyway), not a round nose.
lonegunman
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Its price is about the same as high quality JHPs.
ZekeLuvs1911
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Hi,
In the book "Stopping Power: A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition" written by Evan P. Marshall and Edwin J. Sanow, there is a whole chapter devoted to the Federal EFMJ round. It was written by the designer of the round, Tom Burczynski who also happens to be the designer of the Hydra-Shok rounds. In the chapter, he describes the thought process, design, testing and production that went into the manufacture of this new round. Penetration was a major concern during testing. I quote:
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To complicate matters, an opposing problem existed-penetration needed to be increased. What at first seemed doable was now looking downright impossible. We needed a bullet that was weak enough to expand in relatively light resistance and one that would remain intact when fired through steel while providing adequate penetration. I was beginning to think that unacceptable terminal ballistic compromise might provide the only solution."
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He further describes the search for the right type of bullet to make EFMJ to work. I quote:
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The stronger jacket and heavier bullet had gained us some needed penetration. None of the jacket straps snapped in two, and the weight retention was 100%. But the real test of bullet robustness was yet to come-hard barriers."
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Here lies the answer to your question concerning enough penetration. He talks about the many calibers they tested and how penetration still was not acceptable. They went through many tests but what was determined was that hard barrier tests i.e. 20 gauge steel, windshield glass, 3/4" plywood, and wall board, showed that a thicker jacket was needed. They were having problems with the bullet jacket snapping. In the end, they strengthen the jacket and increased the bullet weight. To make a long story short, I will quote the end summation of the chapter.
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In summation, the EFMJ concept provides a number of advantages. It looks and feeds like hardball and expands to a maximum diameter faster than a hollowpoint under all conditions. Unlike the hollowpoint, its main advantage is that it never clogs up and therefore invariably expands when fired through dry media like heavy clothing, wallboard, and plywood, and provides tactical penetration against hard, intermediate barriers."
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The book showed that a 230 gr .45ACP EFMJ round had a penetration of 14"+, however the chamber pressure had increased to the +P range. In the end, they set the bullet of the .45 ACP to 200 gr. The 9mm and .40 is also available. I chose the .45 ACP as the focus since this is what I shoot. Unfortunately, the round is still too new so there is no data in the book concerning stoppage vs.failures to stop with this round. Here is a link to an article written about a year ago concerning this rd.
www.ammoman.com/40_EP_DESC.htm
In the book "Stopping Power: A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition" written by Evan P. Marshall and Edwin J. Sanow, there is a whole chapter devoted to the Federal EFMJ round. It was written by the designer of the round, Tom Burczynski who also happens to be the designer of the Hydra-Shok rounds. In the chapter, he describes the thought process, design, testing and production that went into the manufacture of this new round. Penetration was a major concern during testing. I quote:
quote:
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To complicate matters, an opposing problem existed-penetration needed to be increased. What at first seemed doable was now looking downright impossible. We needed a bullet that was weak enough to expand in relatively light resistance and one that would remain intact when fired through steel while providing adequate penetration. I was beginning to think that unacceptable terminal ballistic compromise might provide the only solution."
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He further describes the search for the right type of bullet to make EFMJ to work. I quote:
quote:
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The stronger jacket and heavier bullet had gained us some needed penetration. None of the jacket straps snapped in two, and the weight retention was 100%. But the real test of bullet robustness was yet to come-hard barriers."
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Here lies the answer to your question concerning enough penetration. He talks about the many calibers they tested and how penetration still was not acceptable. They went through many tests but what was determined was that hard barrier tests i.e. 20 gauge steel, windshield glass, 3/4" plywood, and wall board, showed that a thicker jacket was needed. They were having problems with the bullet jacket snapping. In the end, they strengthen the jacket and increased the bullet weight. To make a long story short, I will quote the end summation of the chapter.
quote:
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In summation, the EFMJ concept provides a number of advantages. It looks and feeds like hardball and expands to a maximum diameter faster than a hollowpoint under all conditions. Unlike the hollowpoint, its main advantage is that it never clogs up and therefore invariably expands when fired through dry media like heavy clothing, wallboard, and plywood, and provides tactical penetration against hard, intermediate barriers."
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The book showed that a 230 gr .45ACP EFMJ round had a penetration of 14"+, however the chamber pressure had increased to the +P range. In the end, they set the bullet of the .45 ACP to 200 gr. The 9mm and .40 is also available. I chose the .45 ACP as the focus since this is what I shoot. Unfortunately, the round is still too new so there is no data in the book concerning stoppage vs.failures to stop with this round. Here is a link to an article written about a year ago concerning this rd.
www.ammoman.com/40_EP_DESC.htm
It looks and feeds like hardball
Not really. It's got a flat nose, and I wonder if it'll feed better than JHP in picky guns.
EFMJ round had a penetration of 14"+,
But at what point in those 14" did it expand?