New Executive order...Unlawful Conduct on Internet

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Well, it was a long time coming, but Bill Clinton has
finally made his move on the Internet.

Late last week, when reporters and members of
Congress were going home for the weekend, he issued
one of his now-famous executive orders -- this one on
"Internet conduct."

Like almost all such orders, it will sound quite
innocuous on a quick first read. But these guys in the
Clinton administration are clever. This action sets up a
working group of top U.S. officials to study the whole
concept of policing the Internet. No, Clinton doesn't use
that word, but that's clearly the intent of this order -- the
establishment of a national Internet police force.

But if you catch that much -- and few will -- then the
wording of this order is designed to make you relax
because the working group is simply going to write a
report! We all know government reports don't kill
people, right? Nobody gets hurt by a government
report unless they drop it on you.

However, let's take a look at what's being studied here:
No. 1 -- How the federal government can insinuate
itself into this revolutionary new medium. And, No. 2 --
How new technology tools, capabilities or legal
authorities may be required for effective investigation
and prosecution.

Let me repeat that last purpose behind this working
group and this executive order in the actual language
used by Clinton: "The extent to which new technology
tools, capabilities, or legal authorities may be required
for effective investigation and prosecution of unlawful
conduct that involves the use of the Internet."

Get it? "New technology" equals spying tools.
"Capabilities" means surveillance capabilities. And "legal
authorities" means Internet police.

You've got to understand the bureaucratic jargon here.
Think of me as your Clintonese translator. Remember,
this is a man who questions what the word "is" means.
You've got to leave this to the professionals -- and that
means me.

Now here's the other scary part of this executive order.
Normally with these task forces, the president allows a
year or more for study and reports. Not this time.
Guess what his deadline is?

"The Working Group shall complete its work to the
greatest extent possible and present its report and
recommendations to the President and Vice President
within 120 days of the date of this order," the executive
order states.

What! That means the report must be prepared before
the end of the year. I would suggest to you that this
means the report is already drafted. I would suggest
further evidence for that conclusion is that Clinton is
also requiring the committee to circulate the report to
federal agencies well before it comes to the White
House.

Why would he do that? Because the White House has
already seen it. The White House has written it.

Who's going to be a part of this working group? The
chairman is Janet Reno, and the members are most of
the important Cabinet officers. Do you really think those
guys and gals could draft a report on policing the
Internet in less than 120 days?

Uh-uh.

Something's up here, folks. Something smells really foul.

Now what do you suppose is in that future report?
Hillary once told us the Internet needed gatekeepers
and controls.

"We are all going to have to rethink how we deal with
this, because there are all these competing values,"
Hillary said last year. She also deplored the fact that the
Internet lacks "any kind of editing function or
gatekeeping function."

I think Clinton's about to make his move on our last
best hope for freedom -- the Internet. Methinks the
Internet is about to get an official editor or a
government gatekeeper.
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"




[This message has been edited by DC (edited August 10, 1999).]
 
Here's the text of the EO to go along with the link DC provided:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Text of Clinton executive order on Internet conduct

EXECUTIVE ORDER

WORKING GROUP ON UNLAWFUL CONDUCT ON THE INTERNET

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to address unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Establishment and Purpose.

(a) There is hereby established a working group to address unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet ("Working Group"). The purpose of the Working Group shall be to prepare a report and recommendations concerning:

(1) The extent to which existing Federal laws provide a sufficient basis for effective investigation and prosecution of unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet, such as the illegal sale of guns, explosives, controlled substances, and prescription drugs, as well as fraud and child pornography.

(2) The extent to which new technology tools, capabilities, or legal authorities may be required for effective investigation and prosecution of unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet; and

(3) The potential for new or existing tools and capabilities to educate and empower parents, teachers, and others to prevent or to minimize the risks from unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet. risks from unlawful conduct that involves the use of the Internet.

(b) The Working Group shall undertake this review in the context of current Administration Internet policy, which includes support for industry self-regulation where possible, technology-neutral laws and regulations, and an appreciation of the Internet as an important medium both domestically and internationally for commerce and free speech.

Sec. 2. Schedule. The Working Group shall complete its work to the greatest extent possible and present its report and recommendations to the President and Vice President within 120 days of the date of this order. Prior to such presentation, the report and recommendations shall be circulated through the Office of Management and Budget for review and comment by all appropriate Federal agencies.

Sec. 3. Membership.

(a) The Working Group shall be composed of the following members:

(1) The Attorney General (who shall serve as Chair of the Working Group).

(2) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget.

(3) The Secretary of the Treasury.

(4) The Secretary of Commerce.

(5) The Secretary of Education.

(6) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

(7) The Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

(8) The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration.

(9) The Chair of the Federal Trade Commission.

(10) The Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration; and

(11) Other Federal officials deemed appropriate by the Chair of the Working Group.

(b) The co-chairs of the Interagency Working Group on Electronic Commerce shall serve as liaison to and attend meetings of the Working Group. Members of the Working Group may serve on the Working Group through designees.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,
August 5, 1999.

Members of the Working Group may serve on the Working Group through designees.
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Gad, how I despise this man...

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..."

http://www.countdown9199.com
 
Hmm...looks like we'll "need" a Federal Bureau of Internet Suppression soon...

Funny, I seem to have missed the part about Executive Orders in the Constition. Unless they're admitting that it's a war. Against us.
 
I am now a truly bitter enemy of the Democratic Party.

If the Republicans ignore this, or if they DARE "compromise" on this, rather than immediately destroying it, I will REALLY become active against them.

So much for restraining myself! Grrr!

(Pause) Wait! Wait! There IS some good in this! Clinton's lame duck shenanigans just might divide, destroy, and defame the Democrat party! Goring Gore's Internet - indeed!

Then when the Republicans nominate George "Read My Lips" Junior, who has not yet made a policy statement of substance.... heh, heh, heh....

((OK, LP fans, tonight we gather at Fitz's barn. Instead of the secret handshake, just show your "M-1 thumb" or bring a Shiner Bock!)) ;)
 
I have a barn? Cool! Uh... where is it? ;)

Oh yeah... out behind the hog sty. Which reminds me, the piggies are getting hungry. Bring on the Internet Police! I gotta feed Porky!

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Vote Libertarian - For A Change.
 
EXECUTIVE ORDER


By the power vested in me by myself. I herby order slick willy to take a flying leap in to a steaming pile of dung,
 
I'm sorry to rant, but this really chaps my hide.

We have Clinton, Reno, and Freeh (the Waco Three) who are going to determine something, ANYthing about morality?

Our federal government, emetic extraordinaire!
 
I will submit here that the Federal Government no matter what flavor they happen to be,is just foaming at the mouth to regulate/tax/censor this medium.

They can't help it, it's what they do for a living.
 
Greyfox what are you saying, we all know.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speach, or of the press or of the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the "Government"<sic.> for redress and grievances,"
Your Buddy, Hank
 
And HankL, if the petition doesn't work, then we fall back to the 2nd...hmmmm ;)

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..."

http://www.countdown9199.com
 
The big picture is that while we all(?) despise slick for doing the EO's, apparently not one member of congress is concerned.

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Better days to be,

Ed
 
The site:

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21191.html

The article:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>



Plan B for Cyber Space
Wired News Report

5:00 p.m. 9.Aug.99.PDT
President Clinton has asked his advisers to come up with new ways to combat illegal online activity including child porn and the sale of guns, drugs, and explosives.
In announcing a new working group on unlawful conduct on the Internet, the Administration stopped short of calling for new laws. Instead, Vice President Gore said the feds may need new technology tools, capabilities, or legal authorities to fight cybercrime.

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See also: Surveillance Network Draws Fire
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"What we need to do is find new answers to old crimes," said Gore in a statement released Friday.

About 11 federal agencies will participate in the working group, including the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms; the FBI; the Commerce Department; the Food and Drug Administration; and the Drug Enforcement Agency.

Each agency will solicit ideas for deterring cybercrime from the private sector and from state and local law enforcement officials.

"The working group will help to make the Internet a safe place for all Americans by examining the extent to which existing federal law and technological tools are effective in combating crime on the Internet," Gore said.

The working group will make its recommendations in four months in the context of current policies and principles. Among those principles: that industry should self-regulate, that laws should be technology-neutral, and that the Internet is an important medium for commerce and free speech.

The administration announced the new strategy only weeks after lawmakers and privacy activists panned a Clinton-approved plan to develop a nationwide surveillance network.

That proposed network, recommended by the White House National Security Council and known as the Federal Intrusion Detection Network (Fidnet), sought to fight cybercrime by vacuuming up electronic signals.

Prominent House republicans slammed that plan. House Majority Leader Dick Armey warned that the Fidnet could grow into an "Orwellian" system.

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August 6, 1999

VICE PRESIDENT GORE ANNOUNCES NEW STEPS TO ADDRESS
UNLAWFUL CONDUCT ON THE INTERNET

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Vice President
___________________________________________________________________________
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For Immediate Release Contact:
Friday, August 6, 1999 (202) 456-7035

VICE PRESIDENT GORE ANNOUNCES NEW STEPS
TO ADDRESS UNLAWFUL CONDUCT ON THE INTERNET

Washington, DC -- The Vice President announced today a new Executive
Order establishing a working group charged with addressing unlawful conduct
involving the use of the Internet. President Clinton signed the order
establishing an interagency working group that will report its
recommendations to the President and Vice President within 120 days.

As the Internet grows and changes, it offers dramatic and exciting
benefits to the lives of Americans. However, it also has the potential to
allow those who seek to violate or evade the law new opportunities.

"Unlawful activity is not unique to the Internet ? but the Internet
has a way of magnifying both the good and the bad in our society," Vice
President Gore said. "We may not need new laws. But what we need to do is
find new answers to old crimes."

"The working group will help to make the Internet a safe place for all
Americans by examining the extent to which existing federal law and
technological tools are effective in combating crime on the Internet," the
Vice President added.

The group provides an opportunity to take a comprehensive approach to
unlawful conduct on the Internet, such as the illegal sale of guns,
explosives and controlled substances. The working group will provide a
forum to achieve new and creative solutions to the challenges posed by
criminal activity on the Internet. Rapid technological changes on the
Internet will often outpace any new laws and regulations that Congress may
pass. Rather than addressing these issues in isolation or through piecemeal
legislation, the group will help provide a full understanding of the scope
and applicability of current law, the extent to which new technological
tools or resources can help in the fight against crime, and the potential
to use other means to lower the risks from unlawful acts on the Internet
through empowering users.

The working group will undertake its review in the context of current
Administration policy, which includes support for industry self-regulation
where possible, technology-neutral laws and regulations, and an
appreciation for the Internet as an important medium both domestically and
internationally for commerce and free speech. The working group will seek
input from industry, consumer, and other private sector groups, along with
state and local law enforcement officials on how best to achieve its
mandate.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"




[This message has been edited by DC (edited August 10, 1999).]
 
Until the Beast(out of control Feds) is put back in his proper constitutional place which is the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, nothing can get accomplished.The Beast is now running the country through EO's and in foreign affairs is allowed to potentially destroy the world! Why shouldnt the Feds control the internet? They control everything else in this once free nation. Our only hope is that the United States of America(all fifty of them) put the US Govt. back in DC where it belongs. We are asking for a miracle.
 
It just makes me sick.

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"Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
- Patrick Henry
 
It's really pretty "slick" tactics. You send in a multifunctional team and destroy the "communications" of the enemy. Send in a few who can do their jobs as quietly as possible and let them slip out. If quiet doesn't work then ... you get the idea. Seems the Willies are in the wire!
Hank
looks like they are headed for the commo shack, heads up
 
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