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A Surge in Cop Killings

By SIOBHAN MORRISSEY/MIAMIMon Oct 1, 6:00 PM ET

Despite a recent small uptick in violent crime, most Americans are still by and large safer than they were in the crack-fueled early 1990s. The one notable exception is the people whose job it is to combat crime on a daily basis - the nation's police officers, who are being targeted and killed in greater numbers than at any time in recent years.

"There just seems to be that there's a greater willingness on the part of these bad guys to take out a police officer," Miami Police Chief John Timoney told TIME. "I see that locally here. Then you look at it nationally, there's [also] been a huge increase."

Statistics seem to bear out Timoney's assessment. Police officers killed in the line of duty surged to the highest midyear count in nearly three decades, in part due to a surge in fatal shootings, according to figures kept by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund. As of September 18, the memorial fund showed shooting deaths up nearly 60% over last year, from 34 in 2006 to 54 this year (the worst year for such killings was 1975, when there were 99 deaths in the same period). Not only are officer shootings up, but the number of multiple deaths is also on the rise this year, says memorial fund president Craig Floyd. In the first nine months of 2007 there were six cases of more than one officer gunned down during the same shooting spree, up from just one in all of last year.

"You have to come to the conclusion that some of these heinous criminals just don't care," Floyd says. "Earlier in our history there was a code of some sense of respect, even among the most heinous criminals, that you would never harm a police officer, certainly never kill a police officer."

South Florida, along with the rest of the Southern U.S., where guns are easier to come by, has been particularly hard hit. In the past six weeks, two officers have been killed, and one recently got off life support after a gunman on a motorcycle shot him in the head. On Sept. 13, Miami-Dade police Sgt. Jose Somohano died and three other officers were injured by an assailant armed with an AK-47, three years to the day after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons ban.(ya got to give this girl credit for that one agree with her or not!) On August 6, a motorcyclist shot Broward Sheriff's Det. Maury Hernandez in the head when pulled over during a routine traffic stop. Although Hernandez survived and is recovering in a local hospital, his colleague, BSO Sgt. Christopher Reyka, who was shot just four days later while checking on stolen cars, did not.

"I don't understand exactly why in 2007 we have found ourselves in a position where we've had this many police officers shot and killed," says Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Darrel Stephens, who also serves as president of the Major Cities Police Chiefs. "It's a big jump over the past year. We've had two officers killed in Charlotte on April 1. The last time we lost an officer who had been shot was in 1994. We went almost 14 years between that."

Timoney's answer to the emboldened attacks on his colleagues is to give them matching firepower. Although it had been in the works prior to officer Somohano's death, the day after the fatal shooting Timoney signed a new police directive authorizing Miami patrol officers to carry AR 15s, a military-grade assault weapon. "Cops understandably feel they are outgunned," Timoney says. "Nine, ten months ago we looked at what can we do to give the officers a fair chance."

Criminologists point to a wide range of contributing factors to the sudden spike in cop killings. The continuing proliferation of military-grade firearms often leaves police outgunned, while some gang initiations now include the express targeting of police - such as in April of 2004, when California Highway Patrol Officer Thomas Steiner was randomly shot outside a Pomona courthouse by a teen trying to prove himself to a local gang. Other experts and activists cite the desensitizing effect of popular culture, most notably violent video games, as a key reason that more young people have no compunction about opening fire on a man or woman in uniform.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, author of On Combat and On Violence, who trains the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, subscribes to that controversial notion. Grossman relates how officers raiding methamphetamine labs and gang hangouts often find violent video games left behind. "Every time they take down a gang house, there's always one thing that will always be there," Grossman says. "It's a video game. The video games are their newspaper, their television, their all-consuming narrative. And their video games are all cop-killer, criminal simulators."

One way to counter the criminals, of course, is to match their firepower. But Fred Shenkman, professor emeritus of criminology at the University of Florida, thinks a better idea would be for police to focus more on training and improving their accuracy, since they miss their intended target some 70% to 90% of the time they fire in the line of duty.

"It's much easier to buy stuff than better officers, to an extent," says Shenkman, who maintains that the average police officer is undereducated and undertrained. "We haven't really decided on what makes a better police officer, but we have a better idea as to what better equipment is."

Perhaps the biggest change in police training came in the 1970s, when police departments across the country formed specialized units such as SWAT teams. The idea was to sit back and wait until the experts arrived at the scene. But after the Columbine High School massacre, many police departments rethought their approach and reverted to the old way of letting the officer on the scene take control.

Other than giving them more firepower, police departments around the country don't think they have a lot of other bright ideas to combat the recent spike in cop killings. Miami Police Chief Timoney says the most important thing is to make sure officers are staying vigilant and thinking before they act, even when the patrol work becomes seemingly monotonous.

"We still think officer safety first," Timoney says. "We talk constantly about waiting for backup, taking defensive postures. Our biggest enemy is complacency. There is no such thing as a routine car stop."
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Having worked the streets in the mid & late 70's, I can tell you that there were many police officers carrying back-up pieces that weren't strictly "authorized" guns. In one case, an officer I knew carried his Colt Commander in a shoulder holster to augment his Colt Trooper, but he carried a shrouded Colt Agent in his jacket pocket too.

Plus a number of officers equipped their patrol cars with a bolt-action precision rifle, usually their own. Interestingly, the above officer used a .243 as his "just in case" bolt gun.

Unfortunately, the article makes the error of trying to predict a "trend" based on too little information and poor sampling. A one year "spike" in police homicides is an insufficient basis for making policy. Are bad guys getting more violent and more likely to kill police officers? I don't know, but if that is true, the question is why they are more willing to do so.

Glossed over in the article is the need to get cops to shoot accurately. As indicated here (a 70% miss rate) and in studies by others, police often miss more than they make hits. And the bad guys are practicing too, both for self defense and for that moment when they decide to shoot the cops.

I think the need to re-think how we teach officers to shoot and how we gauge their proficiency under stress. This will improve officer survival in those critical moments before he can retreive his AR or shotgun.

Lastly, yes, WA, we do have to give the reporter credit for tying in the police shooting with the AWB. But we also need to remember that there were two "snipers" using an AR during the AWB too. Which means the AWB did little to protect the citizens or police officers when it was in effect. Zero Sum.
 
On Sept. 13, Miami-Dade police Sgt. Jose Somohano died and three other officers were injured by an assailant armed with an AK-47, three years to the day after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons ban.(ya got to give this girl credit for that one agree with her or not!)

Credit for not knowing that AK-47's are still illegal and have nothing to do with the mean looking weapons ban? Why give a reporter credit for remaining ignorant throughout her research?
 
Most of the research in the article was quoted from other people - Ak-47s aside, if that is, in fact, wrong-(they may not be referring to the imported full auto but the semis). Anyway, who cares, for no doubt the quoted statements are wrong too as well as the reporter's. How could anyone be so stupid as to believe military type weapons are dangerous to anyone, let alone police? Geeezz...
 
It's easy to assign ignorance to the person writing this story, but in fact they can't plead ignorance any longer. Study after study, and a mountain of evidence from other sources, is now available at their keyboards, and can be found in seconds.

This is a planned hit piece, pure and simple, by a person with an agenda.
 
they may not be referring to the imported full auto but the semis

Of course they are, but the semis are NOT "AK47s" - period. Therefore, the FACTS are wrong due to sloppy and/or slanted journalism.
 
How convenient that they neglect to mention the North Hollywood Bank robber shootings, which happened after both the Brady Law and Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. That is not even to mention it happened in Kalifornia.

Laws against these weapons don't stop them from being used in crimes. It is wrong to persecute us for others' illegal activity. I thought that is what prison was for...to punish those who do wrong. Apparently, laws are made to punish everyone for one person doing something wrong.
 
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, author of On Combat and On Violence, who trains the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, subscribes to that controversial notion. Grossman relates how officers raiding methamphetamine labs and gang hangouts often find violent video games left behind. "Every time they take down a gang house, there's always one thing that will always be there," Grossman says. "It's a video game. The video games are their newspaper, their television, their all-consuming narrative. And their video games are all cop-killer, criminal simulators."

Oh, for...

They said the SAME THING about the "violent" novels in the 20's and 30's...

And then about the movies.

And then about television.

And how about the false correlation there. Could it be that there are video games in a lot of places including drug labs, not specifically in drug labs? That's like saying that they found a floor lamp in a drug lab and there's some significance to that.
 
The true correlation is simple, and guns never were part of the equation.

Poverty goes up, crime goes up.
Poverty goes down, crime goes down.

Poverty is up under W.

Fear the man who has nothing to lose.
 
Yeah, sure, and when all those brigands rape, shoot, plunder and steal their way to prosperity, they settle down and become responsible tax-paying citizens. Or perhaps, if we just increased welfare enough, that would make crime go away. No sale.

Poverty does not cause crime. Moral degeneracy causes crime. And bastardy, broken homes, and parental abdication cause moral degeneracy. This isn't Les Miserables.
 
Once again I scratch my head as I read stuff like this. How does the assault weapons ban effect criminals and gangs? Laws are what society defines as a norm for behavior. Laws alone will not prevent crime. Criminals and gangs are not the norms of society they make their own codes of behavior.

The problem as defined by the article is not that we have firearms available in society but that those who shoot police officers have no respect for the law or the police. The politicians know this. The anti-gun folks refuse to recognize this.

Holding an inanimate object responsible for this is a symptom of a society that feels they should not be held responsible for their actions. They do not want to punish the poor criminals and gang members because it isn't their fault they are that way. The symptoms are this are more laws that effect the law abiding citizen. Reality isn't in the anti-gun crowds equation.

Anybody that would target a law enforcement officer has no respect for society or the law. In my opinion they should suffer the ultimate penalty which is the death sentence after they have received due process. If you wound a policeman with a firearm you get sentence for that act then another 30 years for using a firearm to do it with no chance of parole.Anytime a firearm is used in a crime you get an additional sentence tacked on with no parole for it. You do not get any good time credit for it either.
One good day served equals one day served.
 
Assault Weapons Ban Question

Sorry for this quick simple question...just want to be sure I understand.

IF...an assault weapons ban goes back into effect that means that AR's, AK's and other similar rifles will no longer be for sale right? That doesn't mean massive government take backs from citizens??

Could it end up being like that...the demand that any AR, AK, Mini14, or SKS (or any Uzi, HK...whatever other brands/types) be turned into law enforcement officers by a certain date?

By that question I mean is there any legal precendence where something like that has actually happened.
 
"I don't understand exactly why in 2007 we have found ourselves in a position where we've had this many police officers shot and killed," says Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Darrel Stephens, who also serves as president of the Major Cities Police Chiefs. "It's a big jump over the past year. We've had two officers killed in Charlotte on April 1.

I believe the 2 officers killed in Charlotte were ambushed and shot in the head with a .32acp handgun. Not sure how banning AK-47's would have made a difference.:confused:
 
For some reason police killed in car accidents, ND's by themselves, fires, accidental falls, off duty accidents, etc. don't seem to bother them at all. If it didn't happen with a gun, especially an "evil" gun, it didn't happen. The loss of human life doesn't really seem to be an issue with anti gun people. I wonder why it doesn't anger police that they are used as pawns in propaganda.
 
One of the finer nuances of this discussion seems to be missing here - and that is that a significant percentage of the murders committed in this country are being committed by illegal immigrants.

In other words, our laws are being broken by people who are already breaking our laws and don't want to be found out and/or caught. Gee, imagine that...

A simple google search on "illegal immigrant murder" will yield far too many results to be blithely ignored as coincidence or populist reporting.

But since the illegal immigrants have already established de facto legitimacy by their repeated grandstanding in front of the press and TV cameras, and black gun owners haven't, I suspect we'll have fewer laws banning illegal immigration, and more laws banning guns.

/high horse
Rob
 
One of the finer nuances of this discussion seems to be missing here - and that is that a significant percentage of the murders committed in this country are being committed by illegal immigrants.

Depends how you define significant.

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Depends on the locality too, Wild. Probably miniscule in your neck of the woods but where I am can be pretty big. Parts of TX and CA come to mind as well.
 
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