New deep ccw ideas?

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IDAHOMIKE

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Enduring the boedom of unemployment gives me lots of thinking time. Anywho, a couple ideas popped into my noggin yesterday. Here goes and feel free to add your input. I'm just thinkin' out loud.
1. A double action snub, scaled around the 32 ACP. Scandium frame, concealed hammer, 6 shot and moon clips Thinkin a 2 inch barrel and super tiny frame, ie. A P-32 sized package with the perks of a wheelgun.
2. KT P-32 type auto scaled around the 22 LR. Seems to me this thing could be paper thin. If it were shorter and thinner than the P-32, you could hide that thing anywhere.
 
Re: #2... A .22LR is significantly longer than .32ACP so I doubt that the pistol could be made any shorter and may well have to be longer.
 
replace the .32ACP with ....

a current edition (JHP or SWC-HP) of the .32 S&W Long, in the same format. No need for clip then.
A smart CPL package there???
 
Don- I was refering to the length of the gun itself. I should have been clearer. I think its potential lack of girth would be a selling point.
Jroth- that's a possibility I hadn't thought of. A jazzed up 32 S&W Long could do the trick. I doubt that the ammo companies would do that, but it seems to me any power level in the 32 ACP could be reached in the S&W case. Hmmmm.
 
There is no need for moon clips with .32 acp. It is a semi-rimmed cartridge that will work in revolvers. Many were made this way pre WW1.
A new top-break, 5 shot revolver in .32 acp could be made of modern materials, D/A, scaled to the cartridge. It would sell like crazy. There will be the Internet gurus who say that the .32 is not a good defense cartridge, and that everyone wants a bigger, more powerful bullet. Regardless, the "uninformed" public would by many thousands of them. NAA has sold a gazillion .22 short & LR pocket guns, even if the experts say they won't work for SD.
 
I can hide a J frame snubbie, a Keltec P3AT, or a Kahr PM9 just about anywhere on my body - IWB, pocket, Thunderwear, bellyband, etc. I see no need for something smaller. Fit the clothes to the gun, not the gun to the clothes.
 
i do, I always dress around what I'm packin". I was just wondering if these things could be done and if others thought they were good ideas. Plus I like to plink around with tiny guns for some reason or another. I guess its nice to see the engineering behind things like the NAA Mini.
 
NAA has sold a gazillion .22 short & LR pocket guns, even if the experts say they won't work for SD.
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...and I have seen zero first-hand examples of someone using one for SD, so the "theoretical" is still a great argument. Just like the .32. :rolleyes:

No, I'm not buying either argument, and until you have some factual evidence, neither is anyone else with any logical or analytical ablility.

Have a nice day :)
 
Take a look at the VT shootings. The shooter / coward used two handguns... a Glock 19 and a Walther P22.

Obviosly, this was not a SD situation... but this low life managed to cause "the deadliest peacetime shooting incident by a single gunman in United States history, on or off a school campus."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre

SD or not, my point is that the caliber IS deadly. My logic and analytical ability tells me I DO NOT want to be on the wrong end of any gun, rimfire or bigger.
 
There is no question that the .22 can be deadly...just ask Bobby Kennedy. However, he was unarmed, and took about six shots to the head and many hours to be declared dead.

We are not talking about executions, we are talking about self-defenese. Huge difference between the two.

That is not a compelling argument for carrying a .22....any more than David slaying Goliath with a sling shot. Are you ready to trust your life to a sling shot?

Nah, me neither. :rolleyes: Although carrying a .22 and depending on it amounts to about the same thing...

My logic and analytical ability tells me I DO NOT want to be on the wrong end of any gun, rimfire or bigger.
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I'll say this one more time, for the benefit of those who hve not been paying attention:

I do not want to be on the receiving end of any gunfire.

But, and this is a big but: if I am ever involved in a gunfight, I HOPE TO HELL that my adversary is using a .22, .32, .380. Because I will be returning fire with a .45 acp, .45LC, .41 Mag, etc.

And I am very comfortable with my odds in that type of confrontation.

Any questions?
 
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I have a SEECAMP in 32.and a beretta 21a in 22lr.they go BANG when they are called to duty .The 22 is loaded with 60 gr aguila solids .:D
 
There is no need for moon clips with .32 acp. It is a semi-rimmed cartridge that will work in revolvers. Many were made this way pre WW1.
A new top-break, 5 shot revolver in .32 acp could be made of modern materials, D/A, scaled to the cartridge. It would sell like crazy. There will be the Internet gurus who say that the .32 is not a good defense cartridge, and that everyone wants a bigger, more powerful bullet. Regardless, the "uninformed" public would by many thousands of them. NAA has sold a gazillion .22 short & LR pocket guns, even if the experts say they won't work for SD
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Bill, I would buy one of those .32acp mini revolvers in a heartbeat. I said that during the NAA attempt to make a small .32 H&R magnum revolver that they could make one even smaller in .32acp. The .32H&R project was dumped a year or two before the .327 was introduced and the pocket gun market exploded.

What makes me laugh is folks who po-po the .32acp as a pocket pistol caliber, and say they you should stick a .380 and 9mm. Have they ever shoot one. I'm sure grandma and little Betty Sue who just graduate college, can handle a LCP or Kel Tec Pf-9, the recoil is not that bad :rolleyes:

I like my P32. the recoil is not bad, so I can hit accurately, even under rapid fire, and I can shoot to slide lock.

The same with a .22lr. Its been years since this was brought up on TFL but google the Trooper Coates shooting. The dashboard video is used to train police officers, and unfortunately I had a chance to watch it before it was removed from the internet. Some dirtbag got into a gunfight with a state trooper. Trooper is armed with a .357 revolver, dirtbag has an NAA minirevolver in .22lr. Dirtbag pulls the NAA on the trooper and hits him once in the BPV. There is a struggle and then both parties push off and shoot at each other at less than 10ft, neither taking cover kind of like two duelers. Dirtbag take five .357 rounds in the COM, and the trooper takes one .22lr in the armpit opening of his BPV of his outstretched shooting arm. The trooper staggers back and collapses within seconds and died. The fat dirtbag took those 5 .357 rounds staggered after the trooper, stood over the trooper, cocked his weapon and pointed it at the trooper, but change his mind realizing he was already dead, he then staggered back to toward the patrol car where he finally collapsed out of view. The dirtbad survived his wounds and is doing life in prision

Your experts who said an NAA mini in .22lr in a SD situation was dead wrong. Unfortunately that is the same mistake Trooper Coates commited,and instead of taking cover, or moving and shooting, he went toe to toe with a person armed with a NAA .22lr thinking his gun was superior and the BG gun was inferior. He thought wrong.
 
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