"NEW" CQC pistol rapid fire stance?

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HighValleyRanch

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Recently, I saw a video on youtube that employs a fairly new radical position for holding the gun for rapid fire that is designed to protect the chest and heart area, but the name escapes me.
Can someone point me to more information on this?

The stance is like a close quarter weaver with the support arm RESTING on the chest area (designed to protect heart and vital organs] and recoil control.
The shooting hand is in line with the pistol with the elbow held very high, and the gun is canted about 45 degree or even as radically as horizontal, gangsta style. The shooter in the video clip shot amazingly fast.
The stance is fairly sideways to the target.

There is an acronym that is used for this stance, but it escapes me.

Any input or information on this technique.
It looks like point shooting is involved more than aimed, but i saw a clip where the shooter was able to sight down the pistol as well.
 
Yes I think it just killed ME with it's tacticoolness :D

Interesting idea. May work well, I'd be a little afraid of shooting my elbow off. Plus I don't have access to a wide open range where I'd be able to do things like this without some kind of intervention (knowing me, that may be a good thing)

I read some of the description that mentioned use at about 2 yards distance. It looks from the video to be like a "shooting from retention" stance with 2 differences - the gun is closer to the support hand's shoulder (rather than the primary hand) and it is a 2 handed grip.
 
I read some of the description that mentioned use at about 2 yards distance. It looks from the video to be like a "shooting from retention" stance with 2 differences - the gun is closer to the support hand's shoulder (rather than the primary hand) and it is a 2 handed grip.
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Yes, I thought of the similarities also.
In close retention, the elbow is in line, the gun is low and shooting instinctive.
We have to shoot from 1 yard close retention for qualifications, and it is amazing how tight a group can be shot just from grip control.
I think this is similar with the gun in line, except for the change in stance, shooting across the body line. The support hand is not always in line as in the opening video. I have seen some where it looks more like a very close weaver.
 
Watched the video on his site, pretty cool. Plus the guy has a cool accent, so I am inclined to buy into his technique based on that alone! :D
 
I see a high probability of lighting one's shirt on fire.

I have fantasies of Jeff Cooper being alive and commenting on this
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I have the idea that, if he were still with us, the drivel presented as credible training on YouTube would kill him fairly quickly.
 
There was an old FBI technique when they shot their revolvers one handed .The left hand was put across the chest to take hits to the chest !! :rolleyes:

As an LEO if you're afraid of being hit get another type of work ! A two hand hold has a much higher hit probability . Bringing the gun up to the eye very slightly increases the time but the hit probablility DOUBLES.

So pay attention to shooting without gimmicks ,two handed , using your eyes ! Jeff Cooper would agree.
 
Do you realize how much cheap suits cost back then? They were protecting the suit. All of the Baltimore FBI agents lived in our neighborhood in the late '50s, but that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about.
 
That technique has been around for awhile, but I would prefer to keep my body armour facing the threat and not blade myself in front of an adversary.
One of the most devasting shots to the body is through the arm pit area.
I like to keep a nice athletic stance when shooting.
 
I'll pass if the man is close enough that this technique will work on him then I'd just beat him to death and save my ammo. If he is farther back that gun is going up in front of me where I can see it and I am going to shoot to hit. This reminds me of the old cowboy movie days when they drew from the hip and fired 76 shots at a group of boogerman 50 yards away putting a man down with each shot.

Might be good but I'm an old dinosaur and I will stick with dinosaur ways.
 
I would prefer to keep my body armour facing the threat and not blade myself in front of an adversary.

One of the most devasting shots to the body is through the arm pit area.
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I agree.

And some of the Level IIa vests are fairly light and not all that uncomfortable, they certainly can be worn in the winter in Northern states and they stop everything up to 38 spl +P and standard 9mm.

I just think it's interesting that a lot of people think about body armor in situations like this, but few people actually go purchase it or incorporate it into their routine.

When it comes to any training - be it with firearm, knife or hands and feet, there are going to be hundreds of competing ideas - or another way of putting it - hundreds of different people competing for that training dollar.

When I trained in Karate, the head of our school claimed to be carrying on THE style from the original guy who is considered to be the father of Karate. There were dozens of other Karate schools that made similar claims. Then you add in all the other martial arts like Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do etc etc... (Rex Kwon Doh ?). And most of them claim to be the best, the oldest, the original.

And then there are always newcomers claiming "revolutionary" fighting systems, (The 9mm won't protect you).

The same thing happens in firearms training. Some guy gets an idea and he markets it...
 
meh, kind of close range point shooting at a weird angle. By the time you think and get in the weird pose it will be too late.
 
It's not new; I saw it in a book or gun rag somewhere at least a decade ago. It was likely not new then either. I doubt there are really any new techniques; only new combinations. For example, you will find advertisements for flashlights mounted on handguns in Ed McGivern's Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting. It was first printed in the early 1930's.

If you think about it, it's just shooting from retention 90 degrees from center and forward. It's like the difference between the isoceles and modified weaver stances; the isoceles turns into the modified weaver if you track a target without squaring up. Roger Phillips included something like this in his "Point Shooting Progressions" course as a part of drawing to the target. He didn't give it a formal name or anything.

Some guy gets an idea and he markets it...
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...and decides to put "his" name on it.
 
I have fantasies of Jeff Cooper being alive and commenting on this.
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Cooper was not infallible with regard to firearms training and one can find errors in his thinking. His comments would likely be thought provoking and funny.
 
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