New "Conservative" Democrat Legislators Generally Vote With Dem Leadership

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Many Democratic candidates are portraying themselves as "conservatives" and pro-gun to get elected. Once elected they are mostly voting with the Democratic leadership and that's not good for our RKBA.

Thirty Republican House members are retiring. In the Senate, the big question is whether Democrats will achieve a 60-40 margin to enable them to kill Republican filibusters.


HUMAN EVENTS Exclusive: Blue Dog Blues
by Robert Novak
05/28/2008
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26694


Conservatives rationalized on May 13 when Republicans lost their third consecutive special Congressional election, in the supposedly safe 1st District of Mississippi. After all, they said, the victorious Democratic candidate Travis Childers, sounded more conservative during the campaign than his losing Republican candidate. He was a county official, a good old boy who the voters figured would be an independent conservative vote in the House as one of the Blue Dog Democrats.

But once in Washington, he drank the Democratic leadership’s Kool Aid. In the first 13 House roll calls contested along partisan lines after Childers took his seat in Congress, he voted with the Democrats 12 times.

Childers fit right in with the Blue Dogs elected in 2006 to give Democrats control of the House after a dozen years of a Republican majority. They won office by campaigning as independent conservatives. But in the House starting in January 2007, they have voted the Democratic line -- with no exceptions -- more than 80 percent of the time.

The Blue Dogs are different in kind than the old “Redneck Caucus” or the “Boll Weevils” -- genuinely conservative Democratic members of Congress from the South who constituted a virtual third party on Capitol Hill for half a century beginning in the mid -1930s. They collaborated so often with the Republicans in frustrating liberal initiatives, frequently proposals by a Democratic president, that the usual massive Congressional majorities were illusory.

But the South’s seats in both House and Senate once held by Boll Weevils are now mostly occupied by Republicans. The Blue Dogs come from all over the country, from districts generally conservative but not traditionally or firmly Republican. In 2006 when the political currents were running against the GOP, they could campaign as conservatives opposed to Republican corruption and hypocrisy and against knee-jerk liberalism. Their profile: hard-line on immigration and terrorism, highly critical of President Bush’s war policy, pro-gun and usually pro-life, contemptuous of Republican deficit spending. They pledged they would not be beholden to Nancy Pelosi in Congress.

But as House members, the Blue Dogs from the Class of ’06 have followed the Pelosi line. In HUMAN EVENTS of April 18, 2007, I tracked 10 of them who consistently voted as Speaker Pelosi wants. A survey of their performances since then shows they have not changed. Most are usually dependable votes for the majority party on issues where the leadership cracks the party whip.

Such a vote came this year on the Colombian Free Trade Agreement, which Pelosi has made a test of her authority. The staunchest pro-U.S. leader in Latin America is Colombia’s President Alvaro Uribe, who is fighting an insurrection backed by Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez. Yet, my selected ‘06 Blue Dogs voted 9 to 1 against the trade agreement. Last year, nine voted for a time table on withdrawal of troops from Iraq, that would signal how and when the Americans were leaving (the

The one dissenter on the Colombian free trade vote and the one absent Congressman on the Iraqi troop withdrawal was the same person: Rep. Nick Lampson (D-Tex.). Paradoxically, he is arguably the most liberal of the selected l0 Blue Dogs as reflected during five previous terms representing the Beaumont area. He was wiped out in the 2004 election following the Texas redistricting engineered by former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.). Lampson filed as a candidate in DeLay’s Houston-area district and campaigned as a moderate in this Republican territory. Lampson was elected when DeLay was indicted by a politicized district attorney.

Now representing a district that is clearly too conservative for him and makes him the leading Democratic target in a bad year for Republicans, Lampson is the least dependable Blue Dog for Democratic leaders. Out of eight important roll calls, Lampson voted with his own party on only three issues -- State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), opposition to FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) and the Democratic energy bill. He voted with the Republicans on four issues, including two tax increases, and was absent for the Iraq withdrawal roll call. The key to a Blue Dog’s voting pattern seems to be not his personal ideology but how safe his district is.

Rep. Charlie Wilson (D-Ohio) a millionaire undertaker, is avowedly pro-life and pro-gun and was considered a moderate conservative as a longtime Ohio state legislator. But in 2006 he comfortably carried his southeast Ohio district, which was formerly represented in Congress by Gov. Ted Strickland and looks safely Democratic. So, Wilson voted the party line on all eight issues, including the two tax increases. Party regularity again was linked to how safe the district is.

But that surely is not the case with the only other selected Blue Dog with a perfect Democratic record on the eight issues: Rep. Jason Altimire (R-Pa.). He is a former Congressional aide and health industry lobbyist, and there does not seem to be anything conservative about him. He apparently joined the Blue Dogs because he represents a swing district where former Rep. Melissa Hart (R-Pa.), whom he defeated in 2006, is trying again in 2008.

Rep. Harry Mitchell (D-Ariz.), the popular former longtime mayor of Tempe, shocked Republicans in 2006 by upsetting the flamboyant Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-Ariz.) While he publicly has avowed independence, Mitchell voted straight Democratic on every issue except a tax increase.

Rep. Chris Carney (D-Pa.), who defeated the scandal-tainted Rep. Don Sherwood (R-Pa.) in a Republican district, faces a tough Republican challenge from a new candidate this year. But that has not stopped him from voting with the Democrats on all of the eight issues except for the House version of the FISA bill that did not provide immunity for telephone companies.



Rep. Health Shuler (D-N.C.) has been one of the most closely watched Blue Dogs in Washington because he is well known in the capital as a failed first round draft choice for the Washington Redskins football team. While he gave the impression during his 2006 campaign that it would be hard to tell his vote from a Republicans, on these roll calls he sided with Republicans only on SCHIP and telecom immunity.

The Blue Dogs say remarkably little on the House floor. Representing shaky districts (except for Charlie Wilson), they don’t want to offer anything that will come back to bite them. However, Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.) let her emotions get the best of her last year at a Congressional hearing on Iraq. When the respected retired Gen. Jack Keane testified that the surge is working, she walked out of the hearing and said: “There is only so much you can take.” After upsetting the world famous miler and five-term Congressman, Rep. Jim Ryun (R-Kan.), in 2006, she applied for membership with the Blue Dogs but has broken with Democrats only on FISA and energy out of the selected bills.

What is clear is that Blue Dogs are neither conservatives nor independents. They only campaign that way. They are hoping that in November they can ride through the current political ethos for at least another two years.

These are the votes on eight key issues over the last year by eight prominent Blue Dog Democrats. A “Yes” indicates a vote for the Democrats, a “No” against them.

Mr. Novak is a syndicated columnist and editor of the Evans-Novak Political Report, a political newsletter he founded in 1967 with Rowland Evans.
 
Well if they in fact change their stripes when the move to DC, hopefully they'll be out of a job next election. I don't think Southern voters will be blind to the bait and switch.
 
This looks like guns owners are going to be in big trouble if the speculated Democrat sweep of congress and the White House actually happens. This may be the beginning of the end of the RKBA in America. If they do win both houses with large filibuster proof majority then we might be in the fight for our lives. No I do not believe the antis learned their lessons for 1994. I am pretty sure they are planning their first course of action once control is theirs in Jan 2009. Better stock up now on ammo, and supplies.
 
Many Democratic candidates are portraying themselves as "conservatives" and pro-gun to get elected. Once elected they are mostly voting with the Democratic leadership and that's not good for our RKBA.



Look at the Republicans, they also toe the party line. In 2006 they voted for 17 billions dollars worth of pork and then could cut seven million dollars from military brain injury research. This was done at the request of Rumsfeld who did not like a briefing that was given by the chief of the brain injury center.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2372172&page=1


BTW: The 1994 AWB passed the House by one vote. 38 Republicans voted for the AWB and 76 Democrats against.
 
More scare tactics from the neo cons. They will try anything to stay in power. Thank the gods that the Americans are waking up from their induced trance and realizing that things have to change. They will vote accordingly in Nov. You can thank Bush for the Democrat sweep next year. We will just have to learn to work with them. Donate to pro-gun organizations, and stay in the loop.
The Democrats that were voted in 2006 are very pro-gun. There voting records clearly show that they support the RKBA. Of course they are going to vote as Democrats on other issues.
 
Both Democrats and Republicans generally follow the party leadership's directions. If they don't, they don't get good committee assignments, they don't get their proposed bills serious consideration, and most importantly, they don't get party support for re-election. All of you who think you are so clever and astute when you say that you don't vote for a party, but vote for the individual and what that individual stands for are naive to the ultimate degree. It is a political party that controls the legislatures, and the leadership of the party in power calls the tunes and the members dance! I try to have faith in the inherent wisdom of the American voter, but the general ignorance level, the lack of historical awareness and the naivite to put their faith in the individual rather than the party leaves me often dismayed and dispirited. As a pro-2A voter, I KNOW that the leadership of the Democrat party is strongly anti-gun rights. It hardly matters in Washington what the individual Congressman believes in; when Speaker Pelosi or Sen. Harry Reid pushes for an anti-gun law the Democrats will fall into line and support the bill, or they will face severe personal consequences. I will acknowledge that at the State level this is not always as true as it is at the Federal level, but generally you should support the candidate of the PARTY that best represents your interests, rather than on the individual that you prefer. I truly fear for this country and for my gun rights if the House stays in Democrat hands, and the Senate gets a filibuster proof 60 member Democrat majority. If this is combined with either Obama or Clinton in the White House we are in very serious trouble. Watch for restrictive gun laws (remember that Obama supported a bill that would have wiped out all state concealed carry laws, among other anti-gun rights proposals he has made), Clinton has been a gun-grabber her whole political career, and both would push the U.S. to become subservient to the U.N. and the Europeans that they so admire. Wake up before it is too late. If we only succeed in getting John McCain into the White House at least we have a chance of having someone who would veto the worst of the gun crowd proposals rather than advance such proposals by Obama or Clinton.
 
Yes they both usually follow party lines Vito.

That's why I always assume a Democratic representative or senator is against the RKBA in the final analysis. Been that way ALL my life.

And, once again, it appears old RDak is right. :p
 
The Democrats that were voted in 2006 are very pro-gun. There voting records clearly show that they support the RKBA. Of course they are going to vote as Democrats on other issues.

I don't know about how pro-gun they are, but it is silly to expect them to vote with Republicans a majority of the time, or on a majority of issues. If they were really going to do so, they'd be Republicans. Which, of course, is why Shuler claiming his votes would be indistinguishable from a Republican's was just a bit silly.

Also, it sounds like Novak can't read his own writing...

Their profile: hard-line on immigration and terrorism, highly critical of President Bush’s war policy, pro-gun and usually pro-life, contemptuous of Republican deficit spending. They pledged they would not be beholden to Nancy Pelosi in Congress.

Yet somehow this...

Last year, nine voted for a time table on withdrawal of troops from Iraq, that would signal how and when...

...is surprising to him? Or worthy of mention? I didn't really see him point out a whole lot of votes that ran counter to the "generally Democratic but conservative on these select issues" line that these guys ran on. Just a lot of "olol they voted with the party!" scaremongering.

Until he starts pointing out "liberal" votes on the specific issues they claim to be conservative on, this article is just as irrelevant as Novak himself is.



Oh, and while voting with the Democrats on the FISA bill might be seen as "soft on terrorism," that would of course depend on how effective and/or necessary that bill is for fighting terrorism. But yes, I suppose that might be one such issue.
 
I don't know about how pro-gun they are, but it is silly to expect them to vote with Republicans a majority of the time, or on a majority of issues. If they were really going to do so, they'd be Republicans. Which, of course, is why Shuler claiming his votes would be indistinguishable from a Republican's was just a bit silly.
What happens when the rinos also don't vote with the R side?
 
What happens when the rinos also don't vote with the R side?

Don't most "rinos" also vote with the Republicans a majority of the time? I mean, expecting a politician to vote with his party 100% of the time and expecting them to vote against their party over half the time are both pretty silly.

I'm guessing any real "rinos" (that vote against the party over half the time) find it hard to keep their seats eventually. I know the Democrats will do this...just look at Lieberman. Of course, he still kept his seat...but the party sure didn't help him do it.
 
Guys, I'm getting rather tired and annoyed by the fear mongering lately.

Between the $300/ton hay and the "Evil" DFL taking our guns away and $7/gallon gas. At some point a person just starts to consider the source. The American public has ALWAYS been afraid of and/or at war with something or someone. Name any decade with in the last 100 years and I'll tell you what the "Hot button" fear was at that point in time (in case your wondering, Yes that's a challenge)

PS.

Does the title of this thread really surprise anyone?
 
Juan, how do you explain McCain? The guy has sold out everything conservatives want and does everything short of giving everyone in the Donkey party a Lewinski right on CNN's camera. He didn't get punk slapped into retirement--they promoted him to commander in chief!
 
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