New Calif. Bill: Thumbprint required for handgun ammo

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Doggieman

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Here's an amended bill, AB 362, that is making its way through the CA legislature. It would:

-Require seller to record the buyer's ID and right thumbprint for any handgun ammo purchase other than .22, plus the brand, type and amount of ammo bought.
-The thumbprint/ID info would be transmitted to the DOJ.
-The thumbprint/ID info would have to be maintained by the seller for 2 years.
-All handgun ammo transaction would have to be in-person (no mail order).
-No sales of more than 50 rounds of ammo per month unless registered by the state as an ammo dealer.

:eek:

For California residents this is a far more pressing matter than HB 1022 or any other Federal stuff.
 
Californians already have to provide a thumbprint to get a drivers license..

Why does this matter at all? Well, besides the 50 rounds per month.. "Yes, please don't be at all proficient with that thing"
 
Uh, 50 rounds per month? They obviously don't realize that there are competition shooters that go through 1000 to 2000 rounds per month just for practice.

Looks like Hornady, Dillon, Lee, RCBS, Redding and the rest are in for an increase in business.
 
er.. ok.

"Why does this matter at all?" Are you high?

No really, are you guys high tonight?



The 50 rounds per month registration is only for sellers. Consumers don't have to worry about that (other than increases in ammo prices).
 
Hmmm.....

I see two main problems...no mail order, which reduces competition as well as cutting off many lower-priced options and the overall cost of these measures which will be passed on to the consumer.

I'm not fond of the rest, but anybody who's ever uttered anything to the effect of "if you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about" in relation to wiretaps, the PATRIOT act, no-knock raids, etc. shouldn't have any problem with it.
 
ok...

tell you what.

If you're a Californian, then you might consider reading the text of the bill itself, as posted above, and spend a little time figuring out why providing your ID and thumbprint and the amount of ammo you buy to a government agency to be kept on-record indefinitely might not be in your best interest. And you might also consider why it may not be in your best interest to never be able to buy ammo over the internet or via mail-order ever again.

And if you're not a Californian, then don't worry about it.

:)
 
spend a little time figuring out why providing your ID and thumbprint and the amount of ammo you buy to a government agency to be kept on-record indefinitely might not be in your best interest.
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I have. Apparently you have, too, but are unable to explain it.

I'll agree with you on the mail order part, but you go get a FFL and you're done with that.

I would think you would be more concerned with the provision of not selling ammo to minors. However, you seem a bit alarmist about the fingerprinting thing and I'm asking why.

For clarification, I was referring to the fingerprint part when I was asking about why this matters... Overall, this piece of legislation is just asking for failure.
 
"Uh, 50 rounds per month? They obviously don't realize that there are competition shooters that go through 1000 to 2000 rounds per month just for practice."

and normal folks, too ;) I usually take about 500 rounds per gun when I go to the range.
 
nutters abound

I'll agree with you on the mail order part, but you go get a FFL and you're done with that.
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Um, this is CA, you can't just "go get a FFL."

I would think you would be more concerned with the provision of not selling ammo to minors
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Um, you already can't sell ammo to minors in CA.

I have. Apparently you have, too, but are unable to explain it.
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Dude, I can explain it.. but why cast pearls? You're obviously not a Californian and have no idea what's going on here. And I have other things to do today.

Let me put it this way: If people here are cool with the government knowing how much and what type of ammo they own, and if they never want to be able to buy ammo over the internet.. then... you go girl. Don't worry about this bill.

But if you're a Californian, and you don't particularly want the government to have a permanent record of the number of rounds of ammo you buy after 2007, and you want to be able to buy ammo over the internet, then I urge you to write your state representative and urge them to can this bill.

That's all I'll say about this. It ain't brain surgery.
 
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