New 9.3x64mm Russian sniper cartridge

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Gabe

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The Russians are using a so called new armor penetrating round for their Dragunov derivative.
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Isn't this an exact copy of the German 9.3x64mm Brenneke? Which is quite similiar to the 375 H&H.

If so, are the Russians nuts? This would be useless as a sniper ammunition 300 yards out.

P.S. What do you think of the 375 H&H for police sharpshooting?
 
For comparison, is there a pic of the cartridge available next to a common round like 223 Rem or 7.62x39mm?
 
The 9.3 is more powerful in some loadings than the .375H&H, with a higher velocity to boot. Why exactly would it be useless at or beyond 300m?
I'm not sure of the SD of the .366" bullets, but a 293grn bullet at 2600fps should still give you quite a long reach, with certainly more power on tap on both hard and soft targets. The Russian sniper philosophy is a bit different, and this cartridge in a rifle like the Dragunov or LOS-9 should greatly increase long range punch compared to the 7.62x54R, while not requiring a rifle that is as heavy as the next logical step, 12.7mm or 14.5mm rifle.
 
Short response. The 375 with 270, 270 @ 2700+ fps, grain bullets with decent BC have similar trajectories as the 308/7.62 nato, 168/173 grain @ ~2600 fps.

The 9.3x64 would be more akin to the 338 Laupua/340 Weatherby/330 Dakota in trajectory.

Considering that the 9.3x64 fits in '06 actions it would be a much better choice than the Laupua which is based on the 416 Rigby that doesn't even fit in 375 H&H actions. AS long as you have a decent BC.
 
If it's the same cartridge, YUMMY! I'd love to have available, value-priced ammo for one.

I'd get George Stringer to build me one in a heartbeat...er, after I pay off the other rifles he's building for me! :o
 
There's some mention of this cartridge in the new Small Arms Review magazine.

I've always been told the H&H has the trajectory of a rainbow and is meant for dangerous game at close range. The Russian load is closer to 280 grain maybe 2700 f/s.

BTW, isn't the 300 WM a necked down 375 H&H?
 
Spectre: I agree if it is a 9.3x64 I might just have to get one myself!!!

The 375 H&H and 300 H&H use brass that is 2.85" long with a max overall cartridge length of 3.6"

The 300 Win Mag uses the same brass that has been shortened to 2.62" [66.55mm] with max cartridge length of 3.34"

The 300 WSM is based on 348 brass with rim removed.

The 9.3x64mm uses brass that is 2.52" [64mm]long with max cartridge length of 3.370" [85.60mm].

The 375H&H when loaded with 300 grain bullets, esp SOLIDs, only has a mv of ~2550. And with those bullets does have a rather rainbow trajectory. But so does a 308 when loaded with a 200 grain bullet.

Few people use the 375 for long range shooting so there are not many bullets with good BC's.

But if you take a 300 grain handload with a bullet that has a good BC you should be able to equal military 308 trajectory. Since you can load 300 grain bullets to around 2600 fps...same speed as military 147 and 171 grain loads IIRC.

Trivial note: The 376 Steyr uses 9.3x64 brass that is shortened to fit in a 308 length action.
 
9.3x64 Russian

Take a look at the .375 Chatfield-Taylor, also called the .375-.338. I think the .375-.338 has a slight edge on the 9.3x64 Russian. And bullets offered run from 210gr to 350gr. It has the same performance as the .375H&H. I shoot my .375H&H a lot. Out to 400yds, zeroed 2.8"high at 100, bullet drop is 8" with a 235gr Barnes-XLC.
Marshall
 
That pic looks like a 06 necked up to a larger diameter like 35 Whelen. Are there ballistics published anywhere?

I would be sceptical that it would equal or exceed the H&H round based on the pic. (Unless it's loaded with TNT or other HE)

The H&H round will track the 06 with 270 gr =150 and 300 = 180.
 
Big G, I'm with you.

9.3 mm converts to .366 inches.

The .30-06 case is 63 mm long.

Sounds a lot like a 35 Whelen to me. If similar, it is effective at ranges exceeding 300 yards, meters or paces. Much further.....
 
Okay, found out it shoots 2,400 f/s with about 269 grain load. Not so stupendous after all. Certianly would not be approved of by Gale McMillan. I still don't know why they adopted it. I guess it's good at penetrating light armor at close range.
 
If memory serves me correctly, COL Cooper recently made some comments regarding the sniper "duels" in the movie "Enemy at the Gates." I believe the comments were to the effect that real sniping in war time conditions, particularly in urban areas, take place in distances measured in a couple of city blocks, not kilometers or miles. I think that he was emphasizing fieldcraft, rather than long-range marksmanship, as the more important factor in real wartime sniping.

Because urbanization since 1945 has accelerated, this thesis should be even more appropriate today. If we follow this logic, then the new Russian cartridge has much logic and merit to it.

Skorzeny
 
What is this russian round actually called?

The 9.3x64 Brenneke round is (slightly) more powerful than the 375 H&H and way ahead of the 35 Whelen.

DWM listings for the 9.3x64: 285 grain @ 2750 fps or 293 grain @ 2640 fps

308 150 @ 2900
308 165/168 @ 2600+
308 170 @2600+
35 Whelen 250 grain @ 2400-2500
358 Norma 250 @ 2700-2800
338 Win 250 @ 2700
340 Wby 250 @ 2900
338 Laupua 250 @ 2900
375 H&H 270 @ 2700
375 H&H 300 @ 2550
 
You ever wonder why combloc nations have to come up with their own ammo? It's usually inaccurate compared to the common NATO calibers, so why not just make their own NATO gun? Is there some sort of international law that limits combloc nations to their own calibers?

You know, like Valmet did. Now, that'sa mean mamma-jamma. AK action behind a 308. That qualifies for both assault rifle and sniper rifle. Ammo's heavier, but they also made it in 223.

If comblocs used NATO calibers, there'd be a potential for cheap AK actions in an accurate package. I'd be the first one to pick up my $300 Romanian SAR-1 in 308.
 
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