need opinons on taurus 41 mag titanium
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Taurus 415Ti
I bought one, brand new, for $299. I sold it (for the same money) a few months later. That's a good price, but give it some real thought before you buy.
The quality of the c. 21-oz. Taurus 415 Ti that I bought was really not up to the standard (Smith & Wesson) that I'm used to. The machining on the star at the back of the cylinder was pretty raspy (this appears to be a common complaint with Tauruses lately), and the fitting of the barrel to the frame had a small sliver of a gap where the shroud failed to meet the frame.
The gun's finish was pleasing, and the trigger pull was not bad, if somewhat heavy. The "ribber" grips were wonderful, and are a really brilliant design innovation. These grips made the gun much more pleasant to shoot than I would have thought. The porting on the barrel, something I'm not at all a fan of in other contexts, certainly helped as well.
The gun was not as accurate as the average S&W j-frame .38, but it was not unreasonably inaccurate. It recoiled tremendously (although, again, not as bad as I would have thought that a 21-oz .41 magnum would have), making the prospect of reasonably quick follow-up shots out of the question. Honestly, while the gun seems to handle the cartridge all right, I just found it to be recoil so heavily that I felt I would be unable to really use it for anything: on hikes, it was light . . . but against any sort of dangerous animal, you'd really want a faster follow-up than I could deliver with it; for personal defense use, it would deliver a solid hit to the first target . . . but assailants usually come in at least pairs, and I was concerned that I would not be able to get the gun back into action fast enough. And, for the range, it was just miserable (although people certainly enjoyed gathering to watch me shoot it).
I found that the 415Ti was even unpleasant to shoot with the relatively mild .41 mag reloads I put up for pleasure shooting through my 4 5/8" Blackhawk. An article by Dick Williams in the September, 2003 issue of the NRA's Shooting Illustrated magazine reports that the 415's 2.5" barrel delivers decent power, though: 1069 fps for the 175-gr Win STHP and an astonishing 1188 fps with Win's new-ish 240-gr Platinum Tip load. That's a lot of oomph out of a smallish, light little gun!
But it was just too much for me. For hikes, I found myself carrying either the Blackhawk or a .357, and for personal protection, a Glock 36 .45 (which delivers 200 grains at 950 fps in a controllable, accurate, and reasonably pleasant fashion). Sure, the Blackhawk weighs a little more than the 415Ti, but it's better made, holds an extra round, and I can shoot it better and just as fast (the Ruger's single-action design slowing it to the speed of the super-light Taurus with my slowed follow-up time). The Glock hits almost exactly as hard, with a fatter, heavier bullet, and I can rip through seven accurate shots faster than I could put two into the targeet with the Taurus . . . plus, I'm not miserable afterward.
In any event, I'm pretty sure I posted about the 415Ti over at The High Road and maybe Sixgunner.com - you might consider searching for "415Ti" over there. I hope my comments have been of some use to you, and please feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions. cheers, erich
I bought one, brand new, for $299. I sold it (for the same money) a few months later. That's a good price, but give it some real thought before you buy.
The quality of the c. 21-oz. Taurus 415 Ti that I bought was really not up to the standard (Smith & Wesson) that I'm used to. The machining on the star at the back of the cylinder was pretty raspy (this appears to be a common complaint with Tauruses lately), and the fitting of the barrel to the frame had a small sliver of a gap where the shroud failed to meet the frame.
The gun's finish was pleasing, and the trigger pull was not bad, if somewhat heavy. The "ribber" grips were wonderful, and are a really brilliant design innovation. These grips made the gun much more pleasant to shoot than I would have thought. The porting on the barrel, something I'm not at all a fan of in other contexts, certainly helped as well.
The gun was not as accurate as the average S&W j-frame .38, but it was not unreasonably inaccurate. It recoiled tremendously (although, again, not as bad as I would have thought that a 21-oz .41 magnum would have), making the prospect of reasonably quick follow-up shots out of the question. Honestly, while the gun seems to handle the cartridge all right, I just found it to be recoil so heavily that I felt I would be unable to really use it for anything: on hikes, it was light . . . but against any sort of dangerous animal, you'd really want a faster follow-up than I could deliver with it; for personal defense use, it would deliver a solid hit to the first target . . . but assailants usually come in at least pairs, and I was concerned that I would not be able to get the gun back into action fast enough. And, for the range, it was just miserable (although people certainly enjoyed gathering to watch me shoot it).
I found that the 415Ti was even unpleasant to shoot with the relatively mild .41 mag reloads I put up for pleasure shooting through my 4 5/8" Blackhawk. An article by Dick Williams in the September, 2003 issue of the NRA's Shooting Illustrated magazine reports that the 415's 2.5" barrel delivers decent power, though: 1069 fps for the 175-gr Win STHP and an astonishing 1188 fps with Win's new-ish 240-gr Platinum Tip load. That's a lot of oomph out of a smallish, light little gun!
But it was just too much for me. For hikes, I found myself carrying either the Blackhawk or a .357, and for personal protection, a Glock 36 .45 (which delivers 200 grains at 950 fps in a controllable, accurate, and reasonably pleasant fashion). Sure, the Blackhawk weighs a little more than the 415Ti, but it's better made, holds an extra round, and I can shoot it better and just as fast (the Ruger's single-action design slowing it to the speed of the super-light Taurus with my slowed follow-up time). The Glock hits almost exactly as hard, with a fatter, heavier bullet, and I can rip through seven accurate shots faster than I could put two into the targeet with the Taurus . . . plus, I'm not miserable afterward.
In any event, I'm pretty sure I posted about the 415Ti over at The High Road and maybe Sixgunner.com - you might consider searching for "415Ti" over there. I hope my comments have been of some use to you, and please feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions. cheers, erich
gunorthopod
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taurus .41 titanium
I have the Titanium .41 mag with the 4" barrel.It's a killer to shoot.The porting effectively decreases muzzle flip significantly, causing the back of the trigger guard to come straight back against the long finger knuckle;OUCH..even with shooting gloves.This causes me to flinch in the expectation of pain..makes for iffy accuracy.
I have created my own round,the .41 special,by significantly downloading(10% below the recommended AA#5 starting point) which makes shooting much more fun though still loud and flashy and which generates queries at the indoor range("What the hell was that?").
I have the Titanium .41 mag with the 4" barrel.It's a killer to shoot.The porting effectively decreases muzzle flip significantly, causing the back of the trigger guard to come straight back against the long finger knuckle;OUCH..even with shooting gloves.This causes me to flinch in the expectation of pain..makes for iffy accuracy.
I have created my own round,the .41 special,by significantly downloading(10% below the recommended AA#5 starting point) which makes shooting much more fun though still loud and flashy and which generates queries at the indoor range("What the hell was that?").
PsychoSword
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I had basically the same experience with mine as Erich did. Only difference is that mine started to have a timing problem after a few hundred rounds. The finish was ok, but mechanically I was just not impressed.
As far as I remember I only shot 210gr. through it. The gun is incredibly loud being a magnum snubnose with porting. I really did not like the porting at all and would prefer one without if I had a choice. The trigger was pretty good in single action and just average in double action. The double action was actually not as heavy as I expected it to be.
The accuracy was IMO poor. Accurate followup shots are extremely slow. I've never been very accurate with any snubnose or short barreled revolver though so it was probably more me than the gun, but I don't know.
As far as I remember I only shot 210gr. through it. The gun is incredibly loud being a magnum snubnose with porting. I really did not like the porting at all and would prefer one without if I had a choice. The trigger was pretty good in single action and just average in double action. The double action was actually not as heavy as I expected it to be.
The accuracy was IMO poor. Accurate followup shots are extremely slow. I've never been very accurate with any snubnose or short barreled revolver though so it was probably more me than the gun, but I don't know.
I doubt I put more than 100 rounds through it before I sold it.PsychoSword
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I had a few sessions where I put 100 rounds or so of 210gr. through it at a time. My hand was sore for a week and a half afterwards.
PsychoSword
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The thing I remember from the manual is that it said not to use bullets heavier than 210gr. so I never did fearing that they wouldn't fit. It's good to know the 240gr.'s fit.
I have had both the Ti and the SS in the 2.5" variety, and I wish I had not let the SS get away. The Ti was great for carry, but too much of a good thing with factory ammo, as others have said. I did not find the SS unreasonable with the Winchester SilverTip load.
I own several Taurus handguns (both semi's and revolvers), and I am pleased with the quality and performance of all of them. YMMV.
Taffin talks about the .41 Special as an easy-to-make wildcat and if I ever get another (which I would consider anytime I found a good deal), I would work up some loads for hiking and camping and use the SilverTips load where factory ammo is necessary. The Silvertip load makes just about everybody's top ten stopper list, but not all of us will enjoy the recoil, especially in the lighter gun.
I think it is interesting that the incredibly popular 40 S&W is very close to what Keith and Skelton envisioned as the LE version of the .41 Mag for a semiauto. What we need is some ammo to make the .41 into the cartidge it was supposed to be for LE use.
I own several Taurus handguns (both semi's and revolvers), and I am pleased with the quality and performance of all of them. YMMV.
Taffin talks about the .41 Special as an easy-to-make wildcat and if I ever get another (which I would consider anytime I found a good deal), I would work up some loads for hiking and camping and use the SilverTips load where factory ammo is necessary. The Silvertip load makes just about everybody's top ten stopper list, but not all of us will enjoy the recoil, especially in the lighter gun.
I think it is interesting that the incredibly popular 40 S&W is very close to what Keith and Skelton envisioned as the LE version of the .41 Mag for a semiauto. What we need is some ammo to make the .41 into the cartidge it was supposed to be for LE use.