need help with 7.65mm pistol

Dave44

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I have come across a 7.65mm pistol with the
markings S&S J.P. Sauer&Sohn,Suhl #16863
I'm told it came from a Japanese soldier from WWII anybody know anything about this?
Its in good condition, barrel looks good
value?
 
Nope it is WW2 German and not japanese.This pistol is the grand daddy of the Sig Sauer line of pistols. If you will notice it has a decocking lever on it on the left side of the gun, it also has an internal hammer. It is known as the Model 38 H and was made from 1938 thru 1945 and was made in .380, 32 and .22LR. It was used by the Nazis in WW2 and the later war ones are quite crude. Look carefully and you will find the Nazi eagle and army acceptance stamp on the frame.

7th

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OOPS! I forgot to give the values, they range from 60% to 100% and listed by calibers.

7.65 $150.00 to $395.00

.380 $775.00 to $3500.00

.22LR $775.00 to $4000.00

7th

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SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE, KEEP THEM INDEPENDENT.
 
7th Fleet,

I could be one of the single action Sauer that were made in great numbers between the Wars, as well, unless the 16863 is something akin to a model number.

It could also have come off a Japanese soldier. Remember, they were trading liberally from the mid-1930s onwards, and that included firearms.

Did you know that the decocking lever also functions as a cocking lever?

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Sauer made three models in 7.65 (.32 ACP) of two distinct types. The first is a single action, striker fired pistol with a large knob on the rear. Most of these in .32 are the "Behorden" (Authority) model. Disassembly of these begins by pushing down on the rear sight, and unscrewing the knob.

The second type is the Model 38H, which is a conventional double action pistol with a cocking/decocking lever. Most have a slide safety that goes down to the fire position, the opposite of the Walthers. The disassembly catch is in the top of the trigger guard.

They run around $350 for the earlier model, $400 for the 38H. A 38H in .380 or in .22 LR will bring $3500-4000, but those are rare, and I have never seen either. Within the limits of its caliber, the 38H is a good defense gun.

If the gun actually was taken from a Japanese soldier, it would probably have been the earlier gun, as Sauer did not make many of the 38H for export.

Jim


[This message has been edited by Jim Keenan (edited September 04, 2000).]
 
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