Need help w/this rifle please

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My husband passed & I have many rifles & guns to get rid of. I am no expert on guns. I am trying to identify this rifle. It is marked Sears & Roebuck Model 101.10080, modified proof tested 12 gauge 3" chamber. The other side has P435459. It has been modified to shoot 45 cal bullets. If pictures did not load, please email me at jeva1948@yahoo.com & I will send to you. I am trying to find out the manufacturer & do believe this has extension or silencer with it. Thank you. Jims Wife
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I would say at first that is illegal as heck----unless you have ATF paperwork to go with it.

The barrel looks too short for a shotgun and a silencer needs to be registered also.

Take it to a no questions asked police gun buy back and be rid of it as soon as possible. Seriously


You should probably remove the pics from here. Just sayin
 
Condolences on your husband, Ma'am

First get a 1/4" wood dowel and drop it down the unloaded firearms muzzle, mark where the end is and withdrawl and measure the length so marked.

You need to be 16" or more [of barrel length] to be legal with a total firearm length of 26".

There should be a second stamping [some where] on firearm that gives indication of WHO made the modifications. If so, then contact the entity for any available paperwork.

What you appear to have is a single shot shotgun originally made is 12 gauge and modified to a pistol caliber. This MUST meeet the above length requirement.

Is there a attorney working with you that can discreetly search 1934 Nationa Firearms Act & 1968 Cun Control act for your situation???
I can really give any additional info.
 
The internet never disappoints. It is premature to declare that long gun "illegal as heck".

The silver thing on the end of the barrel is a muzzle brake, not a silencer. Muzzle brakes are used to reduce recoil and are legal to own.
 
ok ok, calm down guys. this gun is a sears roebuck firearm...sears roebuck ceased to be sears roebuck long before the national firearms act so even if that is a compensator(not a silencer) and a less than 16 inch barrel(which does not appear to be the case) it is still legal, you cant make something illegal after the fact so she should be a safe pre NFA firearm. as for a compensator you can chop it in half and throw it away and it's no harm no foul. I recall a while back someone found a SR of a different model that had the same modifications but I don't remember who did the conversion kits. all in all this is more of a family heirloom and on the verge of being considered a collectors item. you and your husband may want to either hang onto it or give it to you kids/grandkids(dont want to insult you).

as for that bar, it looks like it would either be an interchangeable choke from when it was still a shotgun. another option is that it's a barrel extension for longer range shooting. again I'm not an expert on sears roebuck firearms but it appears to be way too narrow to be a compensator
 
ok ok, calm down guys. this gun is a sears roebuck firearm...sears roebuck ceased to be sears roebuck long before the national firearms act so even if that is a compensator(not a silencer) and a less than 16 inch barrel(which does not appear to be the case) it is still legal, you cant make something illegal after the fact so she should be a safe pre NFA firearm. as for a compensator you can chop it in half and throw it away and it's no harm no foul.
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This is incorrect. Even pre-1934 guns are still subject to NFA rules as the NFA did not make them outright illegal, but rather required a fairly involved and expensive registration process. The only weapons which would be exempt from NFA rules would be ones which are legally considered to be antiques which would require pre-1899 manufacture.

The gun in question does look rather short, but single-shots often do due to the lack of an action per-se. So long as the barrel meets minimum length requirements (16" for a rifle and 18" for a shotgun) as well as the entire firearm meeting minimum overall length requirements (I'm not sure about these but jrothWA's 26" figure sounds right) you are OK. If the firearm does not meet these requirements, then you have an illegal unregistered short-barrel shotgun or rifle.

If the gun in question is indeed illegal, you should contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Finding unregistered NFA weapons is not as uncommon as you might think and certainly not something that BATFE is inexperienced with. While the NFA registry was closed to machineguns in 1986, short-barreled rifles and shotguns may still be newly registered. BATFE may give you the option to register the gun and make it legal, otherwise they will take and destroy it.
 
it could also depend on how ATF wants to look at it. as far as they are concerned, once fully auto, always a fully auto. they might say, once a shotgun always a shotgun. so 18 inch barrel to be safe
 
Well, just my two cents, but to me it looks like nothing more than an old single barrel shotgun made by Stevens for Sears that someone cut down to about 18 inches and added a muzzle brake. The extra thing laying next to it is a .45 ACP chamber adapter. Neat little package, and all perfectly legal. I'd give about $150 maybe $200 for it.
 
Well, just my two cents, but to me it looks like nothing more than an old single barrel shotgun made by Stevens for Sears that someone cut down to about 18 inches and added a muzzle brake. The extra thing laying next to it is a .45 ACP chamber adapter. Neat little package, and all perfectly legal. I'd give about $150 maybe $200 for it.
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thats what it looks like to me also just an insert for conversion to 45 and a quick search on the sears number matches a stevens 940 shotgun seems alot are jumping to conclusions based on a few pics that its not legal but it probably is, and even if it is short we still dont know if her husband had the paperwork done on it or not to make it legal.
 
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Jim's Wife first sorry to hear about your lose, don't listen it's hard to tell what you have by a picture. Ask one of your husbands friends that you trust to take the guns down to a dealer that he trust and see what they are worth. Next have him help you set up an account on gunbroker or auction arms both are like e-bay but for firearms. This way you don't get cheated on what they are worth and no one takes advantage of you because he passed. Good luck in getting rid of them you might want to think about keeping the shotgun for yourself to protect you and your home. Take care and again sorry for your lose.
 
Jims Wife said:
My husband passed & I have many rifles & guns to get rid of. I am no expert on guns. I am trying to identify this rifle. It is marked Sears & Roebuck Model 101.10080, modified proof tested 12 gauge 3" chamber. The other side has P435459. It has been modified to shoot 45 cal bullets. If pictures did not load, please email me at jeva1948@yahoo.com & I will send to you. I am trying to find out the manufacturer & do believe this has extension or silencer with it. Thank you. Jims Wife
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Hello Mrs Jim
Sorry for your lose. Please whatever you do dont sell Jims firearms for what he told you he paid for them!!! I can guarantee they are worth alot more then that. Us guys like to tell our wives that we purchased our firearms for a lot less then we really did (I tell my wife I paid at least 1/4 of the price I really paid for them, the same goes for my fishing gear). I suppose it works both ways when she buys shoes, clothes, jewellery ect.

If you have any problems identifying what a firearms price may be just post up a pic of it. Gunbroker is probably your best bet at getting a fair and reasonable price for them. IMHO if you take them to a gunshop you will probably only get a 1/4 to a 1/3 of what you would get selling them privately on Gunbroker.
 
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