NBC/Washington Post report on how cell phones, not guns, save lives

Tortuga

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Another example of one-sided reporting!

NBC TV news, in cooperation with the Washington Post, had an an in-depth story on last night that discussed how a woman was raped by two men for a period of two hours and then was able to use her cell phone to save herself from further abuse.

Stories can be found at:
http://www.msnbc.com/local/wrc/544881.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39867-2000Aug28.html

I certainly have no problem with the media reporting this event.

However, according to the Justice Department, citizens use guns to defend themselves 1,500,000 times a year - over 4,000 times each day. WHY DOESN'T NBC AND THE WASHINGTON POST REPORT ANY OF THESE STORIES?!

If this woman had a gun, maybe she wouldn't have been raped by two men for two hours or abducted in the first place!

If this woman used a gun to defend herself, it wouldn't have made last night's news. Why is that?!
 
Dont have a cell phone, have a gun.. wonder what I beleive in hmmmmm????

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You need a cell phone and a gun. Use the gun for defense, then either call the ambulance or the morgue, as the case may be. (yes, I'm being sarcastic) :)
 
I'm not gonna call an ambulance, let the cops do that if they feel like it and if they show up. If I make the call the rip off ambulance company will bill me.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Well, if you have a cell phone, but not a gun, you could possibly hold it up to your assailant's head, giving him a brain tumor.... :)

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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
What got me (and I couldn't cut and paste the quote) was that the cell phone is what helped to get her abducted in the first place. The man, she said, called her on her CELL PHONE and asked her location. If she didn't have a cell phone, the rapist couldn't have called her and gotten her location in the first place. So, did the phone save her life or help here get into trouble in the first place?

Me personally, I would have had a cell phone in one hand and a smoking gun in the other; but that's just me.

USP45usp
 
Reminds me of a conversation I had in high school English class. I don't remember how she introduced the topic, but the English teacher tried to use Joe Friday's reasoning that if you can reach a gun, you can reach a phone in your house just as easily to call police. And she said it in her oh-so-superior manner.

So I offered to set up a test. I'll hold a loaded gun in my hand, and she can come at me with a baseball bat - we'll see what the result is.

Or else she can hold a phone in HER hand, and I'll come at her with a baseball bat. We'll see what THAT result is.

After the laughter from the rest of the class subsided, she rolled her eyes, and said "(HankB), we can't spend the whole class debating this. Let's get on with today's lesson..."
 
Cell phone, no gun???

Simple solution.

If you have a cell phone, call someone with a gun to come save your sorry arse.

Hemmm.... so even if you use your cell phone, it will be a gun that saves your life. :rolleyes:

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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998

[This message has been edited by USP45 (edited August 30, 2000).]
 
I'll post the article, since the one link already appears to be dead.

Cell phones and firearms are both 'safety rescue tools' ... they're not mutually exclusive. I agree the media are nearly conspiratorial in their refusal to publish most self defense stories involving firearms.

I found the more interesting discussion to be the ready acceptance that locating cell phones was necessarily good news. I'm sure that our friends in government will never abuse this capability ... ;)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Cell Phone, Cool Heads Save Woman

By Patricia Davis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 29, 2000; Page A01

Almost immediately after taking her 911 call, James Keaton sensed that the woman on the other end of the line was in trouble, but she couldn't say why. She wasn't answering his questions directly, and she was chatting on the wireless phone like he was a friend.


"Where are you?" Keaton asked. "What's the problem?" Her answers made Keaton, a 911 call-taker with 21 years on the job in Arlington, realize that she wasn't in a position to talk. He changed his tactics--asking simple yes-or-no questions--and soon determined that she had been forced into a vehicle against her will.


The woman somehow kept her composure and was able to convey landmarks flashing by her without her abductors realizing.


Within seven minutes--as the woman laced her conversation with "Columbia Pike," "7-Eleven," "Star something" and other guideposts--Keaton, who grew up in Northern Virginia, was able to pinpoint the location of the 1993 Mazda MPV and send police cruisers racing to her rescue early Sunday.


"You're doing really well, just keep the line open," Keaton, 42, said. "I know where you are."


Steve Souder, administrator of Arlington's Emergency Communications Center, yesterday credited the composure of the woman, who had been raped by her abductors, as well as Keaton's skill for the safe conclusion.


The incident, he said, illustrates a growing trend in law enforcement: More and more 911 emergency calls are coming from wireless phones. The Federal Communications Commission said that up to 40 percent of all 911 calls now are made from wireless phones. But with the new trend comes a problem: Souder said police should have been able to pinpoint the location of the victim's call instantly, just as they can with conventional phones.


"There is technology being developed," Souder said. "We're just not getting it fast enough."


Souder said he expects the number of 911 calls from wireless phones to continue to rise, which will mean more calls coming from unknown locations. A system that allowed police to know where a call is coming from would have also helped a 24-year-old woman who used her cell phone to call police--from the trunk of her car--after she was abducted by a carjacker earlier this year in Arlington, he said.


Sunday's abduction occurred early in the morning in the District after the victim, a 29-year-old Annandale woman, took a friend home from a dance club, said Lt. John Crawford, an Alexandria police spokesman. A man she had met there called her on her cell phone and asked her location. Soon after, the man and a friend pulled up to 14th Street and New York Avenue in a maroon van and forced her inside, he said.


The men drove her to a home being renovated in the 1400 block of Juliana Place in Alexandria, where they sexually assaulted her between 5 and 7 a.m., Crawford said. She was then forced back into the van.


Police are uncertain why her abductors allowed her to use her phone, but the victim pretended to call a friend when she really dialed 911.


That call was answered by Alexandria police. "We began to coordinate where she was, and then there was a connection problem and they lost the 911 caller," Crawford said. "We alerted Arlington County."


As the van headed into Arlington, the woman managed to place another 911 call, at 7:04 a.m.


Keaton answered. When he realized there was something wrong, he began asking the yes-or-no questions.


"Is it blue?" Keaton asked about the van.


"No," she answered.

"Is it red?" he said.

"Sort of," she replied.

When the woman said the van had pulled into a 7-Eleven and that there was a store nearby, "Star something," Keaton knew where she was. He sent Arlington police to the 1100 block of South George Mason Drive.

Alexandria police later charged Juan Cueva, 27, of the 450 block of North Armistead Street in Alexandria, and Remberto Martinez-Chavez, 25, of the 400 block of South Wakefield Street in Arlington, with rape. They were being held yesterday without bond in the Alexandria jail.

"She kept a clear head and was very, very helpful," Souder said. "She was very composed. But the tears flowed when it was over."

Souder said the problem of wireless phone location will grow as more and more callers use the technology. About 86 million people now have cellular service, industry surveys say.

Travis Larson, spokesman for the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association, said the industry is working hard to create the hardware so 911 communication centers can identify the location of a wireless call. The FCC has set a deadline for fall 2001, he said.

"We're working feverishly to meet the upcoming deadline," he said. "The technology is not in place yet. We're only one-third of the equation."

An FCC official acknowledged yesterday that developing a system that will track a wireless phone call requires coordination among many entities, including carriers, manufacturers and public safety agencies.

"We recognize this is quite complex technology," the official said.

But on Sunday, it was old-fashioned police work that caught the suspects. Keaton, who teaches at the police academy, said he just did what he tells his students to do.

"I teach people to listen to what is not being said," Keaton said. "Her choice of words was very good. I could tell that she couldn't talk to me."[/quote]

Regards from AZ
 
Hey, boys and girls, what do you expect from the Never Betray Communism (NBC)teeeeveeee network, and Pravda East, (Washington Post)?

J.B.
 
I don't get it. You don't want to carry a gun for your own self-defense, but you're going call for someone with a gun to come save you. I can't figure whether this is the height of arrogance, hypocracy, ignorance, laziness, stupidity, or all of the above. You won't take care of yourself, but you expect some underpaid civil servant to do it for you?

Cell phones are certainly useful, but to rely on one as an alternative to self defense is just plain stoopid. I'm glad things worked out for thes woman (sorta, beyond the rape, she gets to worry about STD's and pregnacy), but had she been armed, she probably wouldn't have been raped in teh first place.M2
 
The only thing this incident proves is that this woman is alive simply because her attackers were MORONS!
If these two rapists had a combined I.Q. 5 points higher, this woman would probably be lying dead somewhere and these two scumbags would probably be calling in a pizza order on her cell phone.
 
Well, I can just see this one coming.

Man arrested in WDC for brandishing cell phone.
It has been the opinion of the WP, that a cell phone is more dangerous than a firearm, and the careless handling of such has caused numerous wrecks, and deaths, in our nation.

We can only hope that man is persecuted to the fullest extent of the illegal laws flowing from the hill.

We at the WP, feel it is our duty to encourage all readers to turn in anyone they know who has a cell phone.

This would help in the soaring insurance costs being shouldered by the government (not the people).



[This message has been edited by Donny (edited August 30, 2000).]
 
Let's see, use a cell phone which may not get a signal where I'm at, and BTW at my home a cell phone does NOT get out, or use a gun that WILL ALWAYS WORK 100% of the time. Or, "Please wait Mr. Badguy while I call 911, now please wait while the police take 30 minutes to an hour to get here, or 5 minutes if they are nearby. I know it'll only take 5 seconds for you to kill me with your illegal gun or even your knife, but if you'll just wait the police will be here, maybe."

45er
 
"Ask someone else for help. Don't take steps to be in a position to help yourself." Yeah, right. It's ridiculous to have to depend on someone else to save you from serious injury or death.
 
I've been in that 7-11 dozens of times. I almost moved down there. Why don't people carry guns? Is it that they remind us that bad things can happen? Do we find it easier to deny that possibility than to prepare for it?

The woman is lucky she made her call in Arlington and not in the District. Here we have an immense overabundance of police officers, most of whom are extremely professional. Response times are on the order of 5 minutes. Not quick enough if someone is attacking you, but better than DC, where they take half an hour if they come at all.
 
Cell phone, huh? Hmmm. Get in car. Drive 9 miles to Study Butte. Turn north toward Alpine. Drive 60, maybe 70 miles: Hooray! Cell phone now within reach of cell!

Her cell phone saved her from "Further abuse". Common sense, alertness and a handgun could have saved her from ANY abuse.

Oh, well. Just another day in dreamland.

As usual, Art
 
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