National ID???

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raven1

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In one of my academy classes, we were talking about going to a national ID with a picture, thumb print, and a magnetic strip with your criminal history on it. The Chief speaking didn't think we would ever go to a national ID system, though, but it caught my attention. :eek: I am not sure how I feel about this. How do you think this would be different if States got rid of their drivers license's or ID cards and went to a national form of ID? Would their be pro's and con's to going to this system? Do you think this is a violation of any of our rights? What are your thoughts?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raven1:
In one of my academy classes, we were talking about going to a national ID with a picture, thumb print, and a magnetic strip with your criminal history on it. The Chief speaking didn't think we would ever go to a national ID system, though, but it caught my attention. :eek: I am not sure how I feel about this. How do you think this would be different if States got rid of their drivers license's or ID cards and went to a national form of ID? Would their be pro's and con's to going to this system? Do you think this is a violation of any of our rights? What are your thoughts? [/quote]

I _already_ don't carry my driver's license. I leave it in my car, since I only need it to prove I'm a licensed driver when I'm _driving_. If the state ver demands a fingerprint or something similar before granting me one, I'll do without the damn thing.
 
Pro: all your cards, passport, records, etc. are conveniently linked to one card.

Con: all your cards, passport, records, etc. are conveniently linked to one card.

Main problem is that you lose your personal identity, and become the card. Anyone without their card is immediately suspect: no identity, no proof of anything, no record of being given permission. This is wholly anathama to being free, where one is one's self and is free to do pretty much anything without permission. "Universal ID please...what? no ID? you will accompany me to the station until we can confirm your identity."

Worse yet is the cross-referencing that becomes possible. While technically possible with our current batch of credit cards, passports, driver's licences, etc., a single card brings all that information together for easy review: "so you'd like to open a bank account, your ID card please...thank you...oh, I'm sorry, we don't server gun owners, it's just a matter of safety, you understand...Guard!"

Legislation has been quietly passed to turn state driver's licenses into a national ID card. They just have to encode some additional info onto your magnetic strip - no need for visual info.

"WHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS?"
 
Some very good discussion of National ID occured in this thread a while back:
http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29251

Some of my comments from that thread:
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Now with your new "Universal Card" there is no need to carry more. You can use the Universal Card for all cash transactions taken directly out of your checking or savings account. It will be a true benefit for Medical Emergency, medical providers and emergency workers will have direct access to your most needed medical records and profile incase your injured and unconscious. Your children will finally be safe, persons with children or parental consent to have a child in their care will have permission issued via this card. It will serve as a Video Card as well, "Thanks Ruger45" that's a good one, it will play well in the commercial. The easiest sell is "less hassle" sell. Finally I don't have to carry all those cards.
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Very disturbing.

What if I don't have a bank account? Will I be required to get one? What if I want to continue to use worthless yet respected american cash, or barter? Verboten?

"Your children will finally be safe . . . " Gee, where have we heard that before? A little plastic card is not going to protect anyone's children. "He raped the child, and he didn't have the right ID card? Well, that's a whole 'nother matter. Now he's going away for a year instead of six months." A national ID card with "parental endorsement for human child unit XC67Y44216" would provide no more protection for unit XC67Y44216 than does a restraining order issued against a wife beater or other harasser.

The "Less hassle" factor: I want the hassle associated with various pieces of plastic. It's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" theory. The more cards I have for individual purposes, the less likely it is that some criminal can steal the access associated with those cards. No matter how secure this national ID card would be advertised as, criminals would have their way with it.[/quote]

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
A national ID card is just as bad an idea as a national ID number. We have one now known as Social Security number. Trouble is the law says a SSN can not be used for ID purposes. Try to get medical care without using your SSN. Combine a SSN with credit card accounts numbers, or bank accounts, etc. and you run the risk of having your identity stolen.

I opposed any sort of national ID card or number for the simple reason it is used to track my activities. A free society should not care what I do as long as it is legal. If that society should begin to care what I do, it has just assumed that I am somehow a threat. If I am a threat, then elements of that society will seek to prevent me from what ever it is it thinks I will do.

Bottom line, I think national ID's or numbers are designed to make it more efficient for gov't to track or monitor my activities. I want to do everything possible to make government inefficient.

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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Barry Goldwater--1964
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Keiller TN:
If you think a national ID is bad wait until there is an international one.
(Revelation 13:16,17; 14:11)[/quote]

Keiller.....would that be a passport?



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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
Talking about national I.D.??????????????

It was almost done a few years ago, when one of those "terorrisim bills"...( I think the 1995 mesure). The requirement was that in a few years your drivers licence would become the "National I.D." ( with thumb print)...THANKFULY this fine print under your nose legislation became known to the right freedom loving peoples ( and even some politicians and it was repealled !!!


It already happened!!!
Even after a "fake" terorrist attack ( flight 800)...think of what will happen when or if something will really hit the fan!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eric Blair:
Waitone:
Sorry dude, times change, morons are in charge. The Lyer and theif signed a bill allowing the SS card to be used as an ID number.
See Q:10 of the following FAQ. http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/rmv/forms/21286ssn.pdf

Btw: GA in the past(dont' know about now) require a thumb print. (At least the North Fulton County office did)

Eric[/quote]

Eric:

If memory serves, FDR was the one who, via "executive order", started this entire business of Social security Numbers being used as "identifiers".

Alan
 
raven 1:

Re this business of national identity cards, please note the following. It is a question that I've asked over a period of years, asked of "elected things", none of whom have ever answered.

Though many if not most states require ones Social Security Number on their drivers license, it actually appears on some states drivers licenses, I have always wondered as to what the LEGITIMATE relationship between one thing and the other might be.

That there is a RELATIONSHIP between the two is obvious, but that neither is nor was it the question. The question was, and remains, WHAT IS THE LEGITIMATE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ONES DRIVERS LICENSE, AND ONES SOCIAL SECUTIRY NUMBER.

Please note that the important and operational characteristic is LEGITIMATE. I believe that exacxtly the same questions could be applied to this "national identity card". What LEGITIMATE prupose might such a thing serve?
 
Eric:

Just one additional thought. While our "liar and thief" might have signed such legislation, he likely would have, before the president can sign any legislation, it has to be enacted, that is proposed and passed.

It is The Congress that plays this role, sometimes playing it very badly indeed.
 
DorGunR, They dont stamp the passport number on your forehead or arm do they? :)
And if you refuse do they be-head you? Glad I never applied for a passport!

Be patient all, we will soon have the biometric implant and wont be bothered by even one card. We'll start with the dogs, then go with the little children so they wont get lost, and next the prisoners so if they escape we can catch them.And finally everone else because "you can see how good it has worked with the pets and children cant you? What have you go to be afraid of?"
We also wont mention the criminals cause that could be associated with.
 
For anyone interested in science fiction, I recommend the book, "This Perfect Day", written by Ira Levin. I'm sure it's out of print, now, so I guess a local library would be your best bet.

In Levin's dark future eveyone wears a bracelet which they cannot remove. This bracelet has an alpha-numeric code on it, their "nameber". This code is the person's name and their identity. The bracelet can be tracked - and is by an all-seeing computer which really is determining the future of humanity. You need the bracelet to enter buildings, get food and material posessions, and most importantly, to get the drugs that the State knows you need...

Anyway, I read this as a teenager, and I suppose I absorbed or resonated enough with this concept from this and other books to know that this kind of ID is never a benifit to the individual. It is only a benifit to the State or any other entity wanting to control individuals.



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Brady
(No relation to that $%#$ bill)
 
Alan,
No doubt your correct about CONgress taking part in the scam. I looked over my fathers SS card last night, on it, it says, Not to be used as ID, Number is only to be used by SSA.

Clinton, for bad, is a MUCH better player at the political game than congress. Look at the press, you hear lots of crap about how congress hasn't passed a budget yet. That not true. They've passed ALL the bills. Clinton has vetoed all the ones he doesn't like. He's able to get exactly what he wants out of congress by making them look like the unfriendly ones when he veto's the spending bills.

I'll be so happy next Wed., because no matter how bad gore might be(worse case senario) he has GOT to be better than Clinton.

What we really need is a CONGRESS that has a backbone and knows how to read. Let them read the constitution and understand how they can limit the power of the prez. They are solely responsible for making laws, not the Prez. But they are all hoping to get turn in the big chair and want to have as much power as possible when they get there.

Eric
Oh well, it was once such a nice little country.
 
I had to bitc# and moan to my health insurance company to get them to give me a different number than my SSN as an account number. I just kept saying I didn't want it used that way, in case anyone ever found an old receipt of mine. It would have name, address and SSN, just about all you need for identity theft.

When I went in for Lasik, they asked for my SSN. I told the lady that I wasn't applying for a loan, I was paying cash. She told me it was their policy, and I told her that I wasn't giving it to her, and did that mean they didn't want my cash. Apparently they did.

Jarhead out.
 
Originally posted by Eric Blair:
Alan,
No doubt your correct about CONgress taking part in the scam. I looked over my fathers SS card last night, on it, it says, Not to be used as ID, Number is only to be used by SSA.

Eric:

I don't know how old your father might be, but as to SS cards, mine is circa 1948, it says, in large "font" (typeface), FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION.

As to The Congress, and it's nature or quality, such as that might be, at least to some extent, we, the people are responsible.
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The Military has used the SSN in place of Serial Numbers for years now.
Each time I write a check in the PX (Post Exchange) I have to write my SSN across the top of the check or the folks at AAFES (Army & Air Force Exchange Service) will not accept it.

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."

[This message has been edited by DorGunR (edited November 02, 2000).]
 
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