Myths of gun control

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Thanks for the link... Good stuff. It'd be nice if more people could get past their emotions, look at the actual boring numbers and actually take it in rationally.
 
actually take it in rationally
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And there lies our quandry. The enemies of the constitution don't want rationality or logic. They only want our guns. And they tell any lie to do so.

We're dealing with mentally sick people.
 
We're dealing with mentally sick people.
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Let's not be so hasty. There are certainly some dishonest folks pushing for gun control, but many are folks who simply don't have the facts and don't know better. If we belittle them, we lose any chance at convincing them.

Nemerov is a heck of a writer and an asset to us, and it's nice to see him put all that data in one place.
 
Let's not be so hasty.
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The digging implement is most certainly a spade.

If someone has a phobia (irrational fear) it is certainly a mental issue. If they can be shown with a rational argument that their fear is baseless, but refuse to be rational about it .... then you won't reach them, ever: You can't make rational arguments with irrational people.

Be polite. Be right. .... but don't waste your breath on the true hoplophobe, unless you are holding him as an example of irrationality.
 
don't waste your breath on the true hoplophobe
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How do you know without talking to them first?

Consider: I've talked to a lot of folks who aren't big gun people, but who aren't antagonistic either. They've got honest questions and concerns, and if I lead with accusations of mental instability, how much of a chance do you think I'd have of convincing them.

Leave the name-calling and stereotypes to the other side, please.
 
How do you know without talking to them first?
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Oh, I never said don't talk to them- what I did say was:
If they can be shown with a rational argument that their fear is baseless, but refuse to be rational about it .... then you won't reach them, ever: You can't make rational arguments with irrational people.
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Well when the author starts out with an obvious exaggeration, it weakens his case,
There's no proof that the Clackamas shooter saw the CCW holder, let alone that this is what caused his subsequent suicide.

This is just puffery.
late misleadingly claimed that Australia hadn’t had a “similar massacre” since banning guns in 1997. This is false: their deadliest mass murder occurred in 2009, when 135 died after arsonists set brush fires. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said: “There’s no words to describe it, other than it’s mass murder.”
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Just because the Prime Minister called it mass murder, doesn't make it so. To conflate New Town and several fires set over several weeks is just sloppy.
There is no indication that the arsonists in Australia intended to kill people as the New Town shooter did.

Then there are the claims that British women are twice as likely to be raped as women in the US.
by 2007, UK women were raped twice as often as American women, who were able to partake of their civil right of self-defense. Australian women were raped three times as often.
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Over all crime in Great Britain has gone down since 1995.
As far as rape is concerned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_Kingdom
According to a news report on BBC One presented in 12 November 2007, there were 85,000 women raped in the UK in the previous year, equating to about 230 cases every day. The 2006-07 British Crime Survey reports that 1 in every 200 women suffered from rape in that period
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States
According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.
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So the author was just out right wrong on that one.

Basically, Nemerov is just gets too many things wrong.

But that's par for the course with Pajama Media.
 
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Let's not be so hasty.
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It's not haste. I've been watching these clowns since kennedy got whacked. It's either that they're incurable stupid or are mentally unbalanced.

I vote mentally unbalanced. Hoplophobia is a neurosis, hence, mental disorder.
 
OK, Foghorn - you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to mental illness.

If I were an anti and being a psychologist, debating you would be child's play if you made such an argument.

Thus, closed.
 
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