My Range Review of the Sig SP2022

[tahunua001]

Hello all,
by now you've probably seen the other thread I made whining about my poor financial management skills and impulse purchases. well this is the cause for it, a Sig SP2022. the seller was asking a fairly reasonable price and my slightly lower but still upper end of reasonable offer was instantly accepted(knew I should have offered less). well I got the chance to take it out today and do some shooting. at first the recoil seemed very stiff and accuracy over the first 5 rounds seemed pretty lax, but the groups tightened up a lot and I eventually got used to the recoil, although I should mention that my compact 1911 recoiled less than the sig. the hold is dead on to the white dot on the front sight, which I'm not sure I like since the sight picture obstructs the point of impact, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I shot 8 full magazines of Remington UMC 115gr ammo(120 rounds) and it functioned without a hiccup. the trigger is the biggest adjustment for me. I do not normally shoot DA/SA handguns and the long DA travel was a huge getting used to moment. despite the long travel, the trigger is not gritty at all and even though it is far squishier than anything I would normally enjoy shooting, it was actually not all that horrible to get used to. the ergonomics are by far the best feature of the handgun. I'm still trying to keep the slide lock and decocker straight in my head but for the life of me I reach for the decocker every time I try to drop the slide and the slide stop every time I want to decock... that will take a bit of training I believe. my one major pet peeve about this handgun is the sharp edge inside the the trigger guard, almost instantly, my trigger finger started hurting because as I would pull the trigger, it would slide down and start contacting the trigger guard and the lower side of my trigger finger is worn pretty raw after 120 rounds, definitely something that I might want to take some 1600 grit sand paper to. all in all, this is not what I think of when I think Sig. I think about the M11 I shot and fell in love with. I think about the P226 Navy that I have coveted since I found out there was something even cooler than the M11. the SP2022 really does not compare to the foggy lense of nostalgia. with that said, I do not think this was a bad purchase at all. I think that it is priced right where it should be and it is a very accurate handgun when I do my part. I am happy, and like I said with a little personal modification I think it could become a pleasure to shoot, and with some training a life saving instrument if the need ever arose.

now with all that said, I'm sure you guys came just for the pictures so here they are.

The Offender

the first 30 rounds fired at 10 yards.

15 rounds all double action, at 10 yards(there was one that just missed to the left when I was still adjusting to the DA pull)

messing around with the grading instruction guy in the corner at 10 yards

 

[WVsig]

Nice shooting. With a DA/SA trigger I find it is best to learn to hard prep the trigger. As you are bringing the gun up to the chest high ready position and pushing out towards the target start your DA pull. Learn to take the 8lbs of the 10lbs trigger out as you get to full extension.

Then you simply take out the 2lbs. As the gun cycles you then prep the trigger again taking 2lbs of the 2.5 lbs out of the SA trigger leaving you 2lbs. Good sight picture squeeze the shot. Rinse and repeat.

When you try to take all 10lbs out of the DA trigger in a single stroke it is difficult. It causes the classic low and left in right handed shooters. By prepping the trigger during the draw stroke you will be "ready" to squeeze the shot vs slap the trigger if that make sense.

If the trigger guard is bothering you I agree take a fine grit sand paper to the hard edge and gentle smooth it out which is what will happen the more you shoot it.

I agree the SP2022 is a different animal than the classic P series guns. The DA pull for me is smoother but it is longer. This is where prepping the trigger really helps. Enjoy the new purchase.

 

[dgludwig]

Nice shooting. With a DA/SA trigger I find it is best to learn to hard prep the trigger.

Each to their own, obviously, but I've never been a fan of "prepping" the da trigger pull in a self-defense situation-takes too much finesse and time in my experience. Best to learn a straight-through da pull, hard, fast and smooth without jerking imo and then transition to the sa pull.

And I agree tahunua001-nice shooting.

 

[WVsig]

Each to their own, obviously, but I've never been a fan of "prepping" the da trigger pull in a self-defense situation-takes too much finesse and time in my experience. Best to learn a straight-through da pull, hard, fast and smooth without jerking imo and then transition to the sa pull.

I used to feel the same way until I really started to work on prepping the DA pull. the problem is that no matter how hard you train if you are pullin a DA trigger hard and fast you are going to yank/slap it.

It is like learning to thumb down the safety on a 1911. If you work on it enough it becomes second nature. For me as I bring the pistol up to the high ready position I begin prepping the trigger. I train to have the trigger prepped at the same time as the pistol is extended. Yes it takes time and practice but if you can master it you will be faster and more accurate than yanking an slapping. IMHO

 

[gc70]

Yes it takes time and practice but if you can master it you will be faster and more accurate than yanking an slapping. IMHO

It seems to me that if you can learn to prep the DA trigger with enough training, you could also learn to not yank or slap the SA trigger with enough training. I suppose what matters more than the approach a person takes is the amount of effort that is devoted to the training for the chosen approach.

 

[WVsig]

It seems to me that if you can learn to prep the DA trigger with enough training, you could also learn to not yank or slap the SA trigger with enough training. I suppose what matters more than the approach a person takes is the amount of effort that is devoted to the training for the chosen approach.

Not sure I follow. Maybe it was a typo on may part but I am not talking about slapping or yanking the SA trigger. I am talking about the long DA pull of a DA/SA gun. I agree that one can develop solid trigger control and develop a smooth DA pull but it will always be slower than prepping the trigger.

It has always been my understanding that the best DA/SA shooters in the world prep the trigger. Prepping a trigger also translates to other platforms.

Either way to each their own.

 

[TBT]

WVsig,

That's exactly how I do it. Got the idea from an Ernest Langdon video on mastering the DA pull. I've had some really good results.

tahunua001,

Nice review friend. And really nice shooting.

 

[WVsig]

That's exactly how I do it. Got the idea from an Ernest Langdon video on mastering the DA pull. I've had some really good results.

Yes he and Bruce Gray teach that method. They were who I was referring to when I referenced "best DA/SA shooters in the world".

 

[dgludwig]

Maybe its a typo but I am not talking about slapping or yanking the SA trigger.

you could also learn to not yank or slap the SA trigger with enough training.

I assume it's a typo. But, no matter, as gc70 observed, training trumps everything and, with enough practice, either regimen will work. Trigger problems (squeeze/pull discipline shortcomings) can rear its ugly head at any time regardless of the method we choose/use and it needs to be recognized when it happens and dealt with accordingly.

Trigger pull discipline negates "slapping or yanking" the trigger, be it in the da mode or sa mode. I beg to differ with your assertion that a "smooth DA pull" will "always be slower than prepping the trigger"; in my experience the opposite is true most of the time.

It has always been my understanding that the best DA/SA shooters in the world prep the trigger.

I can only reference my experience and I can tell you that in countless qualification courses over my 26 year career, "prepping" the trigger was never taught nor recommended. There was a period of time when a couple of fellow officers and myself gave prepping some attention with our "Third Generation" S&W pistols and we always found it slower to achieve good hits in our standard courses of fire.

 

[WVsig]

Trigger pull discipline negates "slapping or yanking" the trigger, be it in the da mode or sa mode. I beg to differ with your assertion that a "smooth DA pull" will "always be slower than prepping the trigger"; in my experience the opposite is true most of the time.

We will then agree to disagree. Under stress slapping and yaking the trigger is the norm. In DA it is exaggerated. In SA it is mitigated. In SA people are able to develop what I would call a controlled slap which does not effect their ability to get positive hits but it is a slap none the less. In the DA mode even a controlled slap is going to effect accuracy.

Anyway shoot whatever way you are comfortable with.

I can only reference my experience and I can tell you that in countless qualification courses over my 26 year career, "prepping" the trigger was never taught nor recommended. There was a period of time when a couple of fellow officers and myself gave prepping some attention with our "Third Generation" S&W pistols and we always found it slower to achieve good hits in our standard courses of fire.

Tell that to Ernest Langdon and Bruce Gray. Langdon rolls through the prep differently but both he and Gray are teaching a prep of the trigger to create a smooth pull. .

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/the-benefits-and-proficient-use-of-the-dasa-autopistol/

https://grayguns.com/dry-fire-secrets-of-the-pros/

 

[gc70]

Not sure I follow. Maybe its a typo but I am not talking about slapping or yanking the SA trigger.

Sorry for misunderstanding when you said:

the problem is that no matter how hard you train if you are pullin a SA trigger hard and fast you are going to yank/slap it.

 

[WVsig]

gc70 you are right. I meant to type DA there.

Originally Posted by WVsig
the problem is that no matter how hard you train if you are pullin a SA trigger hard and fast you are going to yank/slap it.

 

[dgludwig]

Quote:
I can only reference my experience and I can tell you that in countless qualification courses over my 26 year career, "prepping" the trigger was never taught nor recommended. There was a period of time when a couple of fellow officers and myself gave prepping some attention with our "Third Generation" S&W pistols and we always found it slower to achieve good hits in our standard courses of fire
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Tell that to Ernest Langdon and Bruce Gray. Langdon rolls through the prep differently but both he and Gray are teaching a prep of the trigger to create a smooth pull.

I don't need to pick out a couple of experts to make my case nor to "tell that" to them. There are, I'm sure, other "experts" that will disagree. I have my experience and opinions and you have yours. Nor do I intend to get involved in some long, contentious diatribe about something that will have no definitive answer in the end. Been there way too many times and done that.

Anyway shoot whatever way you are comfortable with.

Good advice. Likewise to be sure.

 

[xcc_rider]

Now that that's all done,
Good shooting OP.
I find my 40 cal sp2022 is one accurate and reliable little gun. It kicks a little but so does my 1911, 44 mag and 357 (hot handloads).

 

[tahunua001]

thanks fellas. I tend to fall back on my Navy training a lot when all else fails since it's the most formal training I've received. we trained that you got kicked off the line if your finger was on the trigger before you were fully extended so I believe that the prepping the trigger would be the most unnatural of the methods discussed here. I think that my best option would be to just practice DA pull and get used to the long heavy travel. I also do not know how I feel about partially depressed trigger in a highstress situation.

 

[6mm]

Last time I had my 2022 9mm out

 

[rickmelear]

I've had a 2340, the predecessor in .40 for 10 or so years. Absolutely flawless performer, very accurate too. I paid $359 for it, best buy ever.