My Glock 17 with a grip reduction by Dane Burns

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I just received my Glock 17 back from Dane Burns, which I sent it to him for his grip reduction job. All I can say is "wow"! What a difference the new grip feels compared to the stock grip.
I always liked Glocks for their simplicity, durability, and reliability. They are accurate enough for most practical uses too. However, being an avid 1911 fan, there was always one thing that bugged me about Glocks, and that is their grip shape. For me, the grip feels to thick and clumsy, and it doesn't point right for me, being that I am accustomed to single stack 1911s. Part of what made the gun feel thick and point to high is that annoying "hump" that sticks out on the lower backstrap. Also, the section of the upper rear of the grip that is right under the rear slide rails, which rests on the web of my strong hand, was a little too wide there. The "tail" would pinch the lower joint of my shooting hand thumb, causing it to get shore after a range session.
For these reasons, I sent my Glock to Dane for his magic. He grinded down the back and front strap, removing the stock "checkering" and finger grooves, and refinished it with a stippled/matte texture. This texturing ends in nice clean borders on the upper part of the backstrap and frontstrap. The most notable modification on the grip itself is the removal of the hump on the lower backstrap. Dane then filled it with his own proprietary polymer material, and blended it so the entire backstrap flows in a straight line. The filling material has a different appearance than the rest of the grip, since it is new material that has been fused to the polymer frame. It has a somewhat "molten" plastic look to it, and the color is a little different than the rest of the frame. Honestly, the first time I saw a picture of this, I wasn't quite sure of how I felt about this look. After seeing more pictures, I got used to it over time, and now that I have this gun in my hand, it really isn't that bad. Just try to think of it as a mainspring housing :wink: Anyhow, no Glock will ever look nearly as nice as a 1911, so it probably doesn't really matter. A Glock is more function than "fashion". Dane also removed a little material from the upper tail end of the backstrap, thus solving the lower thumb pinching problem I had. To finish off his grip reduction work, Dane removed some material from the rear of the trigger area, making it easier for the trigger finger to reach the trigger area.
The gun feels great in my hand. Of course, it doesn't feel or look as good as a 1911 for me (plus I like the feel of steel), but it's almost there. The 1911 feels the best in my hand, followed closely by a Browning Hi-Power. No other gun came to a close third before. Berettas had too long a trigger reach for me, SIGs sat too high in the hand, and the HK USP felt clumsy too (the P7 feels nice, but I'm still not used to the squeeze cocker). I can now say that my BCP modified Glock 17 is a close 3rd to the 1911 and Hi-Power. It points a lot like the 1911 now, and the overall feel of the grip is so much better now. I have a stock Glock 31 too, which has the same stock grip as the Glock 17. Both guns are in front of me as I write this. Doing a direct comparison, the Glock 17 with the BCP grip reduction blows a stock Glock grip away. I can now grip the Glock with great comfort and confidence, instead of feeling like I'm holding on to a small brick. It's so good that I never care to shoot a Glock that does not have a BCP grip reduction job done on it!
Thanks Dane, for your superb work and great service.

Here are some pictures of my BCP modified Glock 17. Of course, I'm not a great photographer at all, so the pictures don't do justice to Dane's work. You have to actually see the gun up close in person, and more importantly, feel it, to really appreciate it!

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Any reason Dane didn't stipple the "new" material like he did the rest of the grip frame? Seems to me that it would blend better, even though the color is different.
 
what is the website for that? i'm thinking about buying a glock 32 in the near future, and i've seen some of his work before, and i'd like to read up on it some.
 
A friend of mine was going to have a grip reduction done until Glock confirmed that they won't warranty anything having to do with the frame after it has been done. Now he's in limbo with the idea since I told him that a new frame would only cost him 155$.
 
I have had grip reductions done by both Robar and Arizona Response Systems. They cost too much so I have done half a dozen myself.

You can fill the void with Acra-Glass Gel and stain it black. The stippling can be easily applied with a very stiff brush. I use a glue brush. I also apply an enhanced gripping surface very similar to that applied by Brazos Gunworks on the STI and SVI frames. Take a punch and heat the end up then press it into the frame. The result is a nice little circle with sharp edges. Hey guys, working with plastic is not brain surgery and if you are a talented handyman type you can save yourselves hundreds of dollars...
 
Dane does good work, but he's slow. Very slow. He's has had my G22 for 4 months. He told me he was going to send it out last Friday or Monday. Still haven't seen it. He's getting out of that line of work because he doesn't like backlogging simple work like grip reductions.

I've had ARS and Robar reductions in the past and will use them in the future. IMO, the only significant differences among the three are aesthetics and texture. Neither are that important to me on a Glock. YMMV.

ljlc
 
In my personal opinion, and that's all it is, I'm not trying to slam anyone, I wouldn't let Dane get within 20' of my Glock. My God, if I want to butcher it I'll do it myself.
 
I don't prefer Glocks, but this one looks great! Gaston Glock should have done something like this long ago...
 
Thanks for the post Ken. I have dealt with Glock for some time and while they will not warrenty a frame that is cut on they will sell you a new one at a much reduced price if you have a problem like blowing one up.

I don't stipple the back strap area because the material I use doesn't stipple easily.

No question I have fallen behind in Glock work and because of it have extended my required time in the shop. Growing pains are hard to live through. I see that Mike didn't bother to post back that his Glock arrived, which according to UPS was delivered on Monday the 10th via 2nd day air as promised. 4 days before you wrote your comments. What is up with that? But the comparison Mike makes on a Glock 22 that he hasn't recieved to a ARS or a Robar isn't appropriate because they aren't even close. I know because I have redone both and have customers who own all three. No one has ever made such a flip comparison. The other guys are good and like I say on my web site they have cosmetics....I don't chop Glocks to look better, I chop them to shoot better.

Snappy, no problem I don't want to cut up your Glock either. I have others that I get to do that on. Every customer has been quite satisfied with the work from my understanding, although the time frames have become unacceptable even to me. But I have attempted to do something about that too. Wait is 6 to 8 weeks currently. And I am always happy to refund the price in full and return a weapon to anyone unable or unwilling to wait my required time to do it right. I also guaranteee my work....100% *period* and have never had a Glock returned in the 5 or 6 years I have been doing them.

Ken what was your wait time?
 
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I think I waited about 2 months, give or take a couple weeks.
I should add that when I sent it, my timing was bad. It took a week for my frame to arrive at Dane's shop. When it did arrive, I remember he was out of town for a week or so.

Snappy,
Well, anyone can easily butcher a Glock. But not nearly as nice and functional as Dane does it ;)
Anyhow, the Glock feels so much better. I would dare to say that even for people who are satisfied with the stock grip, they would still like the feel of Dane's Glock reduction better.
Don't knock it till you try it.
 
Dane,

I have recently been observing your work on the web for the last few months, and am quite impressed. Your pistolsmith.com site is a good reference point also. :eek:

Not only do you work on my favorite handguns (Glocks) but you also work on my second favorite (the 1911). Your products are top rate in my book. Once I get a decent 1911, I will most likely send it to you for the "Wave treatment" and some other things.
:D

From what I have seen you do an excellent job and each of your pieces are a work of art. I haven't had the privilege to have you do work on my Glocks, and I honestly doubt I will in the future. At least not until I handle one. But if I were to have any of my Glocks customized by a gunsmith, you would be my first choice. I prefer to leave the my Glock grips alone (for now).

When I move back up North (Washington or Idaho), I will try to stop by your shop and handle one of your Glocks. Until then, keep up the good work. ;)
 
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