My Gen 4 Glock 19 Two-Month Review

Rangerrich99

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So, since the temperature here soared past the 117 degree mark, I decided to do a quick review of my new Glock 19.

Disclaimer: I'm not a firearms instructor, former military/LEO, or Youtube tactical reviewer. The reality is, that I'm just a regular middle-aged guy from the Midwest, who's been lucky enough to have been shooting for meat and sport for the last 30 plus years.

My first experience with Glocks was actually back in the early 90's when my brother brought a black plastic pistol into the home we shared in St. Louis. At the time, I don't think I'd even heard of Glock, and the only semi-auto pistol I thought was worth owning was a 1911. The two things I really remembered about that gun (a Glock 17) was that it didn't point well for me and that because of how high I held my strong hand on the grip, it would bite me at least once through every magazine.

In short order, I decided I didn't like it. So much so that I never considered buying a Glock, and I never recommended anyone else do so either.

Fast forward to three months ago. I decided I wanted another 9mm (I already had a S&W Shield), something that was a little more fun at the range and could do part-time duty as a CCW. I even started a thread here asking for advice about what 9mms I could test out, mostly so I could buy something other than a Glock. After doing a half-dozen rental test runs with various candidates, I ended up buying a Gen 4 G19 anyway. I lucked out a little and picked it up for a little over $400. It came with four backstraps and three mags. Two of the back straps have 'beavertails,' and after my experiences with my brother's Glock, I spent the first twenty minutes of ownership comparing and contrasting the two beavertail back straps for optimal fit.

Side note:
if you get one of these things, be sure to put the little retention pin for the back straps IN THE BOX after initial removal. I didn't, and it promptly escaped and was MIA for almost a week before I found it under my fly-tying bench. Which is on the other side of the room from my workbench. Which figures, right?

Then I took the thing to the range with two boxes of Sasquatch ammo from MassAmmo.com and the remainder of a box of Winchester WB. Not surprisingly, it ran all 129 rounds without a hiccup. Point-of-impact vs. point-of-aim was pretty close to right down the sights (one-half inch high and consistently 1/4 inch left), and groups were more than acceptable out to 15 yards. Initially I was concerned about the slight left groupings, but since I shoot right down the sights with just about every other handgun I own, I've decided to just live with it, instead of trying to alter my grip for one gun.

Initial impressions: The grip angle is definitely different than my 1911, but that's not to say it's bad, or feels bad. It's just different. It seems to point better than my brother's Glock, though this may be a function of how my grip has evolved over the years, or it could be the addition of the back strap. It still doesn't point as naturally as my 1911, or even my Sig.

The grip panels feature a pretty aggressive stippling pattern; much more aggressive than my buddy's gen 3 gun. However, I haven't found it uncomfortable. Yet. Time will tell, along with a longer-than-usual range session. Some people I know have complained about the finger grooves, but while I won't rave about them, so far I've found them to fit my hand well enough.

The trigger. Well, it's a Glock trigger. I will say that it seems to be smoother and the break seems a little crisper than my previous experiences with earlier generation Glocks, but it's not anywhere near any 1911 I've shot. Or any of my DA revolvers in SA mode, for that matter. That said, it has a fairly short and positive reset, and it didn't take long to get adequately comfortable with the trigger.

Field stripping. As we all know, one of the things you have to do as a gun owner is figure out how to disassemble/field strip your weapon and clean it. Whether you like it or not. And I fall in the camp of 'Not.' Well, I'm pretty sure I've never had an easier time field stripping and cleaning a gun. Period. Which, at least for me, makes cleaning it a little more enjoyable.

For anyone not familiar with the procedure, it works like this: grip the gun normally with your strong hand. Then take those fingers and place them over the top of the slide, leaving your thumb where it is. Now, just squeeze your hand so that the slide moves back about a half inch. Take your weak hand fingers and pull both of those little tabs down at the same time. Let go of the slide. Pull the trigger. The slide should just pop off, so either hold it with your off hand or just aim slightly up so it doesn't jump off the rails and fall on the floor. That's it.

To the present: My G19 has experienced 3 failures to go back into full battery, stopping about an eighth (1/8) to a quarter of an inch short. And the slide locked up tight. The first time I had to mortar the gun to get it to eject the round. The second time I put it in a vise. The last time the range I was at had a gunsmith on site. It turned out that it was my reloads, which were just a bit too long. A slight twist of the seater die (.003 inches) solved that problem and all subsequent reloads (about 150) have run through the gun flawlessly. To the fellas over at Dillon Precision, thanks for the tip.

One other issue: about three weeks ago, my G19 started to consistently shoot about one inch to the left out to 10 yards. Beyond that it got progressively more southpaw. This was consistent through two different brands of ammo, and a magazine of my reloads. I stopped shooting and gave the gun a thorough once over. And discovered that the rear sights had actually moved a little more than a tenth of an inch to the left. Fortunately, the gunsmith at Shooter's World wasn't busy and he fixed it in less than two minutes. He also mentioned that he'd seen that problem before, but that it wasn't common. Since then I've fired another 150 rounds through the gun and it's shooting as straight as it was when I bought it.

So, after two-and-a-half months and nearly 700 rounds I've had two issues with my G19, one of which was my out-of-spec reloads times 3. Overall, I have to give the gun at least four stars. It's well-made, accurate over my typical shooting distances, easy to work on, and consistent. Things might change in a year, but I already have the feeling that this gun will be boringly reliable and consistent over the next ten months.

So on the bright side, I may have absolutely no reason to write a twelve month update review . . .
 
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Nice review. I just started a thread on the model 19 myself. When the gunsmith worked on your rear sight did he do anything more than just drift it back in place? Like tighten the dovetail or add a sealer so it won't move again?
 
@RS;

He literally was out of my line-of-sight for less than 3 minutes, so I doubt he did much more than drift it back and put a little sealer on it. However, I didn't actually ask him what he did, other than drift it back into place. All he said was, "that should take care of it. No charge." AT that point I decided I was having a good day and left.
 
If those are the stock Glock sights I've never been a fan. They're pretty easy to move in the dovetail and they're not too durable for one handed manipulation.
 
@TR;

I've heard that, but I also know a couple guys that have never had a problem with their stock sights, so I guess we'll see. I have no plans at all to modify this gun, unless I'm forced to do so, either by manufacturer defect or user error.
 
Im a big Glock fan. The first thing i do to any of them is replace the sights. Fragile wnd not a great sight picture. MUCH better options out there.
 
Should've said this in my first reply: thanks for reading and for your replies guys.

TR;

This is probably a dumb question, but what exactly do you mean by 'one-handed manipulation'?

SB;

First, I appreciate the insight, I really do. I don't want to come off as stubborn or cheap or whatever, but this gun is, for the time being, a back-up gun or a range toy. Kind of like my ex-wife's Camry when we first got married. I didn't have a lot of money and she needed a car to replace the POG (piece of garbage) she'd been driving up til then. So I got her a used Camry. Later, when I was making good money, I bought her a little sports car, but I kept the Camry for when something went wrong with the little sports car.

In my armory, the Glock is like that Camry. Once I get another three or four hundred trouble-free rounds through it, I'll clean it up, hang it in the safe, and it'll come out to play about once every couple months. Until things change anyway. Hope that makes sense.

However, (I just thought of this) in the event the sights do become a real problem, could you tell me the make and model of the aftermarket sights you use? Thanks.
 
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I hear you in terms of cost. I would point out that because of the sheer number of manufacturers making accessories for Glocks, your options for sights in terms of both what you prefer and your budget are pretty wide open.

For instance, I use Ameriglo Pro i-Dot.
http://www.amazon.com/Ameriglo-Pro-IDOT-Glock-17-Orange/dp/B004YY2T4I?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0
Amazon has them in stock direct in the green color around the front post; the orange as above you have to use one of their other retailers. I like these because the color around the front helps me pick up the front sight quickly when shooting from the draw. For retailers you can also use Midway, Brownells, the list goes on when it comes to Glock accessories.

My point is it shouldn't cost you more than say $90 all said and done, and you can get the Meprolights standard three dots for as little as $56
http://www.amazon.com/Meprolight-Glock-Tru-Dot-Night-Yellow/dp/B000VYLJ8M/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1465100806&sr=1-1&keywords=meprolight+Glock

This is probably a dumb question, but what exactly do you mean by 'one-handed manipulation'?

So any pistol I own gets carried and put in a self defense lineup at some point. What I mean by one-handed manipulation is that if my supporting hand or dominant hand is injured (when someone is shooting back your hands and arms are right out in front of your body and are often hit) and maybe I can't operate that slide release easily (I have stubby thumbs), then I still need some way to release the slide. In that event, I can hook the front of the rear sight off my belt at my side or the heel of a shoe (go down on a knee to expose the heel) to get that slide to release and stay in the fight. The plastic sights tend not to hold up well to that kind of abuse and they also slope back making hooking that rear sight problematic. That's why I like a rear sight with a straight front so I can hook it.

You get the added benefit in that the metal sights usually stay in the dovetail better as well. I'm also really not a fan of the sight picture of the stock Glock sights either. I've always found you have to slightly bury that circle in the circle rather than completely floating it in the box. That's more of a minor gripe, but again there are so many aftermarket options to tailor it to the way you prefer.
 
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Appreciate the review. I also was a 1911 guy. Had a few G17's over the years never really shot them well.

Got a gen 3 G19 - and shoot that well. The factory sights work just fine for me. However, a good set of nights sights is the way to go.

Coming from 1911's I like the 1 trigger pull of the Glock over the DA/SA of the Sig and Beretta.
 
TR;

Thanks for the info. I thought that's what you meant by 'one-handed manipulation,' but I figured I'd ask for clarification just in case.

I don't actually practice that procedure, but I have tried it a few times (maybe a dozen?) with my Sig and 1911. My guess is that it would be easier with the Glock, as the spring weight seems lighter than either the Sig or 1911. May give it a try down the road.

And thanks again for the info about the aftermarket sights. I'll start researching those over the next couple months.

And I agree with you about the stock sight picture. However, I have more than a couple sidearms that are significantly worse (my S&W model 19 and Ruger LCP are just a front blade and a backstrap notch), so I really just plan to live with them, unless I decide the Glock is going to take a permanent spot in my carry rotation.

@Drobs;

Thanks for reading. Yeah, I really am a 1911 guy. I have several examples of DA/SAs, striker-fires, DA revolvers, SA revolvers, etc., but even with my P229, which I think is a great gun with a great SA pull, I just live with the DA pull. I pretty much just accept the triggers of most of my handguns that aren't 1911 patterns. I even thought briefly about selling all of my non-1911s, and buying only 1911 pattern guns in the various calibers I like to shoot, so I'd only have 1911 triggers. But I could never sell my revolvers, or that Sig, so I nixed that idea pretty early.
 
That was an interesting, long, and nice write-up of a first-time Glock experience.
Some notes & thoughts.
-If you don't remember hearing about Glock, then perhaps you don't remember or haven't seen the movie "Die Hard 2" from 1990.
-The take down tabs are actually metal (the part is called a Slide Lock in Glock nomenclature).
-It's common for Glock shooters to push a bit to the left. My belief is the Glock tends to rotate in the hand as one's grip tightens. If so, it could be the shape of the Glock's grip is just a bit different from that of other handguns.
-It was nice to hear someone readily adjust one's reloads curing the problem instead of immediately blaming the handgun as somehow defective.
-The stock polymer rear sights are easy to bump out of alignment if hit just the right way. The rear sight can just about be pushed out by hand. Any aftermarket metal rear sights will typically be much tighter. It's just something in which to be aware. I also mainly use Ameriglo.com aftermarket sights. Everyone will have his/her own favorite brand & model when it comes to sights. I do have stock Glock sights on at least one of my Glocks still. I just haven't gotten around to changing them yet (perhaps after I finish typing this I will do so).
-What? No complaints of brass ejecting to the head, what happened? Each Glock with the shooter's normal ammo is different. That's been an entire subject by itself (key words: Glock, brass, face).
 
I had to reach back into my fog-ridden memory just now to dredge up the year my brother were sharing that apartment. it was actually 1989, possibly '88.

I'm not certain, but I don't think I saw Die Hard II in the theaters. I think I saw it on HBO or whatever much later. I don't usually go to the movies to see sequels.

I just assumed they were plastic, thank you for the correction.

I didn't know about the left-shooting tendencies of Glocks (or their shooters), so thanks again for that tidbit. I don't feel as bad now. For about twenty minutes while I was at the range last week I considered fooling around with my grip to shoot straighter, then after shooting dead straight with my Shield and my Sig a few minutes later, I decided it would be a waste of time and perhaps detrimental to how I shot my other guns.

The interesting thing to me about those off-spec reloads is that on a whim I loaded them into my Shield, which fed and fired them without issue. And I don't know why, but it just didn't occur to me at the time to consider whether the gun was defective. Maybe because it's still new, I figured it was still breaking in. Also, I'm still new to reloading, and have only been reloading 9mm for a couple months, so I'm used to discovering problems with my reloads. Any time someone asks me about reloading I always tell them, "every day I reload, I learn how much I don't know about reloading." Now, in ten years, I'll probably be a lot more arrogant about my reloads.

You guys are starting to convince me that I should do something about those sights. I don't mind the sight picture, and I don't typically abuse sights, but if they're going to wander around on me, I might have to change them sooner rather than later.

I honestly don't think my 19 has tossed any brass at my face/head, but as I have at least one gun that does that every now and then (tosses them at the peak of my hat), it's possible it has. But unless hot brass hit me in the face, I probably ignored it.
 
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I honestly don't think my 19 has tossed any brass at my face/head, but as I have at least one gun that does that every now and then (tosses them at the peak of my hat), it's possible it has. But unless hot brass hit me in the face, I probably ignored it.

It may or may not happen to you. There are those to whom it has never happened, and there are those to whom it has. If it did you'd remember it, so until that happens I'd leave at as is.
 
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