My first non-1911 auto in a long time...P-35

jwise

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I picked this P-35 up recently to use as a base gun for a future custom build. I have a few 1911s in my stable (mostly Colts), and figured I owed it to myself and John Moses Browning to add a Hi-Power to the lineup.

The finish is pretty rough, but the metal is clean. I would like to find out when it was made, and anything else about it that I can.


 
JMB designed the Hi-Power to be his best combat pistol, after all. I have one too. It resides next to my 1911. My P-35 was made in 1942 under German occupation.
 
jwise, judging from the lanyard stud, ejection port shape, dovetailed sights and small thumb safety, I suspect that is one of the Hi Powers used by Israeli military and/or police. They are a MKIII type, sometimes referred to as MK 2 1/2 because they do not have the regular MKIII firing pin safety,or ambi thumb safeties. Still FN made and good quality. A good base gun to use as is, or customized. I've had quite a few Hi Powers over a long period of time, and still own and enjoy shooting the ones I still have.


Ps, forgot to mention that within the serial number, there is a two letter date code. I can't quite make it out from the photo. If you'll share that, I can look up year of manufacture.
 

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Strictly speaking the BHP is about 1/3 JMB and 2/3 Dieudonne Saive. I have had mine since 1967. Biggest drawback about the BHP is that since it was designed around the 9MMP it cannot be upgraded to 45ACP.
 
In my very modest research so far, I suspected it was 4/5 JMB and 1/5 the FAL guy (don't care to learn how to spell his name).

Why do you say it is otherwise?

Here are a couple better pictures of her in natural light.



 
I bought an Israeli trade in 3 or 4 years ago from Royal Tiger. The shooter had a flaking painted finish over another finish, had to replace the safely lever with a commercial one and bead blasted and refinished with that pale blue liquid Brownell sells. It was made in 84 and is the model that has a sight rib what ever that is. It's pretty accurate but has a heavy trigger that I wish I had worked on when relacing the safety.







The P-1 is also from Royal Tiger.
 
In my extremely modest amount of research I recall reading that JMB departed this life in 1926 while the BHP was finally accepted in 1935. Browning-along with Saive- produced a pistol called the Modele 1927 that was rejected by the French who had initially contacted JMB about designing a new pistol in 1922. JMB 1922-1926, Dieudonne Saive 1927-1935 hence my 1/3-2/3 formulation. Hard to say where one's man's worked ended and the other's began.
 
The GP-35 Hi Power was a government contract gun, just like the 1911, so as others have said, things like the mag disconnect were spec'd in the contract. Even with government intervention JMB, (and Saive) got another winner to market. :)
 
Range Day!

I got out to the range today over lunch. I brought a few of my unique/old guns with me, as I don't shoot them much and the guys who came with me had never shot some of these (any of these?)

The spread:



Colt M1917 - .45acp
S&W Mod. 1902/1st change - .38spl
Colt O1911 - .45acp
Colt .25 Automatic - .25acp
Ruger Vaquero - .44mag
FN Hi-Power - 9mm

I didn't get to shoot the S&W, as it only shoots LRN and the inside range doesn't allow uncoated lead bullets to be fired on their range. That was disappointing.

Out of all the handguns, my colleagues' favorite was the Hi-Power. It just felt good in the hand, pointed well, and was accurate to boot!

 
jwise... nice collection.

Where were you shooting? sounds like Champions Fire Arms.
I go there quite often to shoot, and they have the best prices I've seen on handguns.
 
That's right. I've been shopping at Champion Firearms for years.

I like their indoor range, but can't wait to get out to Gun Corps' outdoor range.
 
Welcome to the club!

I have appreciated the HP for a long time also, and picked two up: 9mm and .40S&W.

As someone who seems relatively new to the HP, here is a source that is a MUST READ for all who want to really understand many different aspects of it.

http://hipowersandhandguns.com/

Unfortunately the author of the articles has passed: but his widow keeps the site up in his honor.

If you get a chance it is nice to get one of his shooters guides also.

His website is more practical stuff than it is strictly history.


As to why Saive gets more credit: it is a long and interesting story [spelled his name wrong I am sure].

JMB's design originally was a striker-fired handgun in a single-stack, but was forced to change to double-stack due to design requirements [Saive seemed to design the mag too].

JMB died around late 1920s, and the Belgian guy took over the project: changing it to hammer fired and other things.

BTW, he also is the designer of the FN-49 rifle, which evolved into the FN-FAL rifle.
 
John M. Browning passed away on November 26. 1926. His last patent for the gun that became the BHP or GP shows an entirely different gun than the production version, including striker firing and a removable breech block somewhat like the Savage pistols. (What looks in some pictures like a stubby hammer is the safety, which slides up and down.)

Since Saive and Browning worked together, it is not really possible to say which man was responsible for what portion of the BHP design. But Browning did not spend full time on the pistol; he was working on his O/U shotgun design when he died.

The 1923 version, which eliminated the striker in favor of a hammer, still retained the detachable breech block. The 1928 version, produced after Browning's death, was essentially like the BHP we know. It is almost certainly a Saive design, but built on a base of Browning's ideas.

The simple fact is that all guns (or any other successful piece of machinery), will undergo changes, major or minor, during the transition from a designer's first vision to production status and even after. When more than one person is involved in making those changes, it is interesting, but rather pointless, to speculate about which person was responsible for what portion of the final design.

Jim
 
I believe it was 7yds. It was shooting a tad high, so I brought the point of aim down in order to punch out the bullseye, and maybe a few went a little lower.

You are seeing multiple magazines through the same target. Not sure how many.
 
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