My enemy's enemy is my friend (George Bush)

According to Handgun Control Inc who is running ads in seven cities, if George Bush gets into the White House, it will be equivalent to the NRA being in the White House. Sounds okay to me. If HCI is scared of Bush then that gives me good reason to vote for him. My enemy's enemy is my friend and I pray that HCI is correct.
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000505/2234385s.htm

Opponents seize on gun lobby's hopes for Bush

By Martin Kasindorf

and Wendy Koch
USA TODAY

Gun lobbyists' predictions that Texas Gov. George W. Bush would be a reliable friend in the White House became campaign fodder for his opponents Thursday.

Handgun Control Inc. began airing in seven states a TV ad that includes videotape of a National Rifle Association leader boasting to members that the Republican presidential candidate is all but in the NRA's pocket. Vice President Gore cited the tape in criticizing Bush's record on gun issues.

Also, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo sought to pin Bush down on whether gunmakers are right in expecting Bush to back federal legislation immunizing them from lawsuits filed by 31 cities and counties. Bush sided with the NRA in signing a Texas state law banning municipalities from suing gunmakers.

In an interview, Cuomo said Bush should be asked, ''Have you promised to immunize the gun industry or not?''

Reacting to the assault, Bush asserted his independence from the 3.5 million-member NRA and was noncommittal toward relieving gun manufacturers of liability.

Handgun Control paid $20 on the NRA Web site to buy a videotape of a speech by Kayne Robinson, the NRA's first vice president, to California members last February. ''If we win,'' Robinson told the Los Angeles audience, ''we'll have a president . . . where we work out of their office, unbelievably friendly relations.'' Robinson also said the next president is likely to appoint four or five Supreme Court justices. ''If we win, we'll have a Supreme Court that will back us to the hilt,'' he said.

In Chicago, Gore said Robinson's speech indicates that Bush ''wants to take the gun lobbyists out of the lobby and put them right in the Oval Office.''

Bush distanced himself from Robinson. ''I don't want to disappoint the man, but . . . I'll make the decisions as to what goes on in the White House,'' Bush said at a campaign stop in Mission Viejo, Calif.

Taking the microphone Thursday at a Handgun Control news conference in Washington, Robinson said his speech was ''my feeble attempt to make an analogy to what Handgun Control has been doing'' in enjoying access to President Clinton.

Settlement talks in the litigation between gunmakers and state and local officials broke down in January. Many gunmakers are digging in their heels because they're pinning long-term hopes for relief on Bush, said Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal. ''Very definitely, behind the scenes their message to us is 'wait till November,' '' he said.

The lawsuits are moving forward in court, and both sides express confidence. A single manufacturer, Smith & Wesson, signed a settlement agreement in March. The deal promised changes in gun design and marketing.

Last month, prospects for an industrywide settlement were soured further when seven other gunmakers sued Cuomo and 18 state and local officials to stop them from buying police firearms only from gunmakers who sign the settlement. Blumenthal and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said Thursday that the manufacturers' defiance makes it more likely that their two states will file their own claims against the industry.

Robert Delfay, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the industry's lobbying group, said supporting Bush over Gore is ''a no-brainer'' because Bush is ''more hospitable to the Second Amendment.'' Still, Paul Jannuzzo, general counsel for gunmaker Glock Inc., said Bush isn't a potential savior in the litigation.

''The idea that a specific law would be passed for us strikes me as pure pie in the sky,'' Jannuzzo said. ''We're counting on winning these lawsuits based on the law.''

However, Los Angeles City Attorney James Hahn, who filed one of the lawsuits, said the Supreme Court would rule as unconstitutional a federal ban on local anti-gun lawsuits

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When they speak of instituting "common sense gun control laws" keep this quote in mind:

"A `common-sense' approach to gun violence in America would be to ban handguns,"
- Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, (Washington Post, March 2000)
 
Cassandra, everything I've seen of GW has convinced me that he is not a complete enemy of the 2nd. Everything I've seen from Gore has convinced me that he is an enemy of the entire Bill of Rights. I know Allan Hampton's arguments, understand them, and feel them in my gut. But we have a choice between burying our guns next year, or massing political forces to keep GW on our side while we do a number on the "elite." Which would you rather have?

Dick
 
Yeah, I'm gonna hold my nose and pull the R lever in the fall. I know people say that GW ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and maybe it's even true, but I see it as kind of benign goofiness, rather than malicious. Who knows? He may get in the WH and pull a Clintonian administration on us. He may not. What I do KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt is that not only is Al Gore stupid, but he's also vicious (politically at least) and has learned more than a few tricks from Uncle Bill.

However, we should put GW on notice that any tricks like his daddy pulled in '89 will get him canned faster than he can say, "huh?" That goes doubly for the republicans in Congress, whose brand of "leadership" has been really hard for me to distinguish from the "curling into the fetal position, mewling and thumbsucking while simultaneously voiding their bladder" style of taking charge. There must be some really juicy sh!t in those 900 FBI files, eh?

[This message has been edited by Gopher a 45 (edited May 06, 2000).]
 
Gopher: I'm not sure it's really the FBI files, except in a few cases. My suspicion, frankly, is that a LOT of Republican officeholders are ideologically more in tune with the Democrats than their own party. But if the Dems have the anti-gun vote sewn up, you gotta appeal to the pro-gun vote... And then just see to it that you lose the fight, so that the "right" side wins. "Conservatives" who were faking it had it easy when the Democrats controled Congress; They could fight the good fight, AND get what they wanted too, because they knew they were going to lose anyway.

Now they're in the majority, and if they make a real fight of it, they risk winning in causes they don't personally like. So they take a lot of dives, and try to explain it as being the result of stupidity or incompetence. But you can't be THAT stupid and incompetent, and still win elections, so it doesn't wash with me.

At least, that's my highly cynical read on the situation.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Just to counter the anti-bush agenda that HCI is spewing I found this! http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment050500a.html I posted it on my site as well as other items of interest.

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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
---Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

Take care and God Bless, El Jefe

The ANTI-HCI Site!
 
Good point, Brett. I think the FBI files are a red herring also, just threw it in for fun. I well agree that ideologically, the Ds & Rs are a lot more similar than they are different, despite hysterical protestations to the contrary. You're right that they had it better as a minority, because what personal difference does it make to a politician if they are in the majority or not? If they don't believe strongly in anything, and as long as they can get enough pork back to their district ot get elected, they're set. So there's my highly cynical read on the situation. Feh.
 
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