My Email to Sen. Boxer...Think it gets read?

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Tamara

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Yeah, this post is over on GlockTalk in the "Barbie Boxer Survey" thread but some of you are immune to my polymer prosyletizing and dont get over that way. Anyway, I'm pretty gosh-darn proud of it, and it chaps my butt to no end that it's only gonna be read by some Berkely "Womyn's Studies" grad-student aide in her office, and then deleted. So, in search of some warm fuzzies, I'm posting it here for y'all to make fun of...

Since AOL is set as my default mail program, I had to manually mail in my answers. Complete with editorial commentary. Since they won't therefore be tabulated, or even read ("Eh, another pro-gun kook...") here they are, with pertinent questions...
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1. Close the "Gun Show Loophole" by Requiring Background Checks for Handgun Buyers at Flea Markets and Gun Shows.

2. Ban the Importation of High Capacity Ammunition Clips.

3. Require That All New Handguns Be Sold with a Child Safety Device.

4. Direct the Federal Trade Commission to Study How the Gun Industry Markets Firearms to Children.

5. Ban the Sale of Assault Weapons to Juveniles.

My Email:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>1. disagree (Specious, as the 'loophole' only exists for private sales, not dealers)
2. disagree (The arbitrary settings of what is and isn't 'high-capacity' serve no actual purpose in crime reduction. 3 10-shot magazines or two 15-shot; what's the difference? About 2.0 seconds- trivial.)
3. disagree (A "Child Safety Device". What is that? A 'trigger lock'? An action lock? A gun safe? An "Eddie Eagle" t-shirt? Responsible parents?)
4. disagree ("Study How The Gun Industry Markets Firearms To Children." That's rich. I mean that is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read in a while. I have watched Nickelodeon carefully, but I keep missing the ads by Glock. Are they subliminal, or perhaps 'backward masked' in Barney songs? If the gun industry really is "marketing firearms to children", perhaps you should leave them alone, as any industry so incompetently handled should die on the vine within the week. It's just not good business to market $300 to $500 items to folks whose disposable income mostly jingles in their pockets, especially when they can't legally purchase your wares, much less reach the countertop unaided.)
5. No Opinion (Alas, this question is so poorly phrased that I am unable to form an opinion on it. If by "juveniles" you mean "Under 18", which is the usual definition, then the question is bogus in it's entirety: sales of firearms, be they "Assault" or otherwise, is already banned to juveniles. However, you have nicely phrased it so that Joe Six-Pack and Suzy Soccer-Mom understand that you are foursquare behind the idea that we need to stop selling machine guns to sixteen year-olds. Artfully done, that.)

Unfortunately, this survey does nothing to advance informed and intelligent debate on this issue. Something that is sorely needed. Better luck next time.

Tamara K.[/quote]


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>4. disagree ("Study How The Gun Industry Markets Firearms To Children." That's rich. I mean that is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read in a while. I have watched Nickelodeon carefully, but I keep missing the ads by Glock. Are they subliminal, or perhaps 'backward masked' in Barney songs? If the gun industry really is "marketing firearms to children", perhaps you should leave them alone, as any industry so incompetently handled should die on the vine within the week. It's just not good business to market $300 to $500 items to folks whose disposable income mostly jingles in their pockets, especially when they can't legally purchase your wares, much less reach the countertop unaided.)[/quote]I love this one, Tamera! :D Give her hell! ... But in answer to your question "Think it gets read?" ... perhaps by the bottom of her trash can. :( Politicians ... "We hard work for the people ... we work so hard for the people that we form your opinions for you! We then implement laws because "public opinion" ;) polls demand we take action!" :rolleyes:

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What a typical load of BS that "lady" sells, as you said Tamara, her allegations are so far fetched and absurd there is hardly anything you can say to them to begin with. Good response, although you probably shouldn't have used any big words, especially like "incompetently" as herr Boxer obviously has no idea what that means ;)
 
About mag sizes.

So you can change out 10-rounders quickly, eh?

You can't argue against this law in terms that it's not harsh enough. Anti-gun people agree - 9 is superior to 10, 8 to 9. Australians have 5 round for their boltactions (with a special licence that is).

Can you muzzle-load a rifle as fast as you can change a mag?


BTW - those who are scared of guns are scared of what someone can do with one. Watching an IPSC master and how fast he can move and drill targets would add to this fear in many.


Battler.
 
No, but with someone like Barbara Boxer you can only point it out as the cynical ploy it is: "Just come out and admit that you hate 1-round magazines as much as 500-round belts, lady. Splitting hairs over the number of rounds is just that; splitting hairs. You won't be happy until they're all gone, right?". Unfortunately, frankness is considered a sign of ignorance these days, so one must use a prying question like the one I asked to steer the anti into admitting "Yes, I want 0-round magazines.". Then, once everyone's real position is in the open, can an attempt at discussion take place. At least, that's my view. I could be wrong.
 
You are right about Ms Boxer, Tamara. She is rabidly ant--gun and an itellectual light weight.
Unfortuneatly she is one of my United States senators, but I vote against her every chance I get>
 
Some folks in Congress will read EVERY hand-written letter. Polite, pertinent type-written one-page letters may be read by the Rep or Sen, but a staffer will indeed read them.

Staffers "read at" FAXes and emails, unless you are already known to the Rep or Sen as a "worthwhile person". A w.p. is not necessarily one who agrees with positions, so much as one who follows protocol and format, and has rational ideas.

FWIW, Art
 
This is the reply I got back

Thank you for contacting me regarding gun violence
and children. I appreciate the opportunity to review your
comments.

Children in public schools have a right to be safe, and
it is our obligation to ensure their safety. I believe that the
federal government should help provide local schools with
the funds necessary to institute safety measures. These
measures should include devices such as metal detectors
and security cameras. Schools need money to hire more
counselors and provide teachers with the requisite training
so that they might recognize early warning signs of troubled
or violent youth. In addition, schools should establish
anonymous tiplines for students and others to use if they
see or hear about something that suggests the potential for
violence.

I am a strong supporter of the Justice Department's
"COPS in Schools" program, which will help communities
that want to put a police officer in a public school. Since my
call for more community police at America's schools on April
21, after the devastating shootings at Columbine High
School, over $7.2 million in grants have been awarded to
California, providing funding for more than 67 new full-time
officers. In addition, the Juvenile Justice bill that recently
passed the Senate included my proposal to waive the local
matching requirement (formerly 25%) for localities who put a
cop in a public school.

In the wake of the terrible tragedy at Columbine, we are
reminded that gun violence in America has become an
epidemic. In California, guns are now the leading cause of
death among children. Nationwide, guns are the second
leading cause of death due to injury. In total, gun violence
claims the lives of nearly 35,000 Americans every year.

I understand the right of hunters and other law-
abiding citizens to be able to own a gun. However, I believe
the best way to curb the incidence of gun violence is to limit
the availability of guns, particularly to juveniles, and to
provide harsh penalties for those who use guns to commit
crimes. You may be pleased to know that the Senate also
passed other measures as part of the Juvenile Justice bill,
designed to sensibly control guns: the Senate closed the
gun show loophole that allowed criminals to get guns at gun
shows without going through a background check; banned
the importation of high capacity ammunition clips; required
that child safety devices be sold with every handgun; and
made it illegal to sell or give a semi-automatic assault
weapon to anyone under the age of 18.

I hope you are as pleased as I am that the Senate
has taken a strong stance on the issue of gun control.
However, I still think there is more to be done. I believe that
it should be illegal for anyone under 18 years of age to buy a
gun, just as it is illegal for them to purchase a can of beer or
a pack of cigarettes. I also believe that we should extend
the import ban on "junk guns" to the domestic market. That
is why I introduced legislation in the past two congresses
that would apply the same safety standards to domestically-
manufactured handguns as are currently applied to imported
weapons. I will continue to fight so that these and other
important measures become the law of the land.

We must also realize that legislation is not the only
way to address the recent tragedies in our nation's schools.
Obviously, it will require a more comprehensive social
response to prevent this kind of event from occurring in the
future. We need to look at the images received by our
children on television, in the movies, and in the music they
hear. We need to think about the ways we teach our
children about conflict resolution and violence, and consider
the examples we set as parents. Perhaps most importantly,
we need to learn more about the warning signs sent off by
troubled children who need help.

Please be assured that I will continue to look for
strategies to protect our nation's children and address the
problem of gun violence. In addition, I will continue to
oppose legislation that attempts to repeal any of the
significant progress we have made in the past few years.
Again, thank you for contacting me about this important
issue.

In a nutshell, she's telling me to screw myself!!


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For what it's worth. First, you will have far better luck at having your message REALLY read, if you forget the email and type out a letter, print it and mail it snail mail.

Most email to peoplel like that is handled either electronically, or by flunkies.

Secondly. it really doesn't matter with those communistnazis. Afterall, the Marxist Socialists NEVER, EVER, disengage. They don't care what we serfs and slaves think, or want.

The Locomotives Continues Racing Toward Each Other. J.B.
 
Yeah, Jay, and it reads like a canned response.

Sadly, as has been commented upon so many times already, the only effect of such efforts is to remind those like Boxer that there are folks who disagree; sadly, those like Boxer do not care.

And logic is unimportant.

Art
 
Missing from Sen. Boxer's reply to Tamara's clearly pro-gun letter: A notation at the top saying: "Send this nut the 'sincerely concerned' letter." The reply is clearly a piece of boilerplate, and addresses none of T's objections to Boxer's poll positions.
Venting may offer a certain catharsis, but is essentially a futile exercise. We waste time and bandwidth (or ink and paper) in sharing our concerns with rigidly doctrinaire gun-loathers. Better to spend the time working hard to get better people elected.

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If they take our guns, I intend to let my hair grow long and acquire the jawbone of an ass.
 
In California, guns are now the leading cause of
death among children. Nationwide, guns are the second
leading cause of death due to injury. In total, gun violence
claims the lives of nearly 35,000 Americans every year.

Yeah how many are 19 year old gang bangers? Guess they ought to stop shooting eachother?
Then again?

Tamara,

Thanks for letter I think it is great, I will copy and use myself, dont worry I will change the name, if you dont mind that is.
I know it take time to write one up like this and is too easy to just call them communist heathens like I do. That works here but not in corospondence to them.
Thanks again.

PS For a moment I thought you had the unfortunate luck to live in my commie state, I'm glad you live elsewhere and if I am ever in Atlanta and/or Indiana I will grace you and Beautiful Blueyegirl with my presence. :D
 
Of course somebody reads all the letters; How else would they know which ones to pass on to the secret service? It is, however, a rare letter that gets passed onto the Senator herself, and understandibly so; How many letters can you read in a day, and actually get anything done?

Use snail mail.

Spell and grammar check it.

Keep it short and sweet. (One page only.)

Limit it to one subject.

Omit anything which could be construed as a threat by a paranoid dyslexic.

Type it/print it out, and then sit on it one day before re-reading it.

Follow these rules, and you've got a shot at a personal response. Not that Boxer would give you one you'd like!

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I have never received a response from Senators Santorum or , oh man I'm having a massive brain fart right now. The Senator from PA that supported the "Magic Bullet Theory" in the Kennedy assassination. But Congressman Toomey has always responded to me by mail answering all the questions and statements I e-mail to him. AHH! It's Senator Arlen Spectre, it was tough passing hat brain fart.
 
I especially liked the part of the responce where she said she made it illegal for kids under 18 to buy guns. Seeing as how that has been the law for decades, maybe she would have better luck passing a law making it illegal to shoot people. Oh yea, that's already a law too. Well maybe a law making VERY illegal to shoot people.
 
Good points one and all. What sometimes gets me is when NRA sends me postcards addressed to Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer that I should sign and send. Give me a break, those 2 are NEVER going to change their mind on this, its a matter of face for them now.
The real concern to me is not that non thinkers like that exist in politics, it is that they have such a massive audience buying in to the BS.
There have been and always will be mis informed people attempting to wail their way into controlling everyone else. In a healthy society they would be laughed at and brushed aside as a whining child. It is a true sign of the times that these kind of people have any power at all.
 
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