My E-mail to the NRA concerning gun confiscation in NO!

[NY Patriot]

Use it as is. Change it as you see fit. Use it as inspiration to write your own... I don't care. Just as long as you E-mail them now!!!

www.nrahq.org/contact.asp

secure.nraila.org/Contact.aspx

As a long time member of the NRA, I am greatly alarmed at the unabashed & illegal gun confiscation that is taking place in New Orleans (in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina), and I demand the NRA use it’s considerable political clout to put this practice to an immediate end!

American citizens are having their legally owned firearms confiscated from them by armed police & National Guard. Martial law has not been declared in the city, thus there is NO legal justification for these actions! Law-abiding AMERICANS are being denied their right to bear arms and their right to self-defense at the point of the government’s gun, and this must cease NOW!!!

I implore you… please use every penny & resource at the NRA’s disposal to see that the raping of our 2nd. Amendment ends now & that those responsible for these unconstitutional actions pay a hefty price!

I look forward to your reply.

Thank you,

NYPatriot

Member # 1234567890

 

[RickD]

I'd like to know why Rich is closing all of the threads that talk gun confiscations?

Why does it have to be a "sweep" to earn Rich's imprimatur?

A mere handful, coupled with the now infamous "only police will be armed..." edict is bad enough.

Rick

 

[Eghad]

ummm the NRA has a statement up

I beleive Rich has a point in that we have heard all this second hand and have seen a few incidents which do not make a positive case so far.


NRA-ILA Comments On Situation In New Orleans



Friday, September 09, 2005

Numerous media sources are reporting on a campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others--the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones. This is especially true when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

 

[Avizpls]

I for one...oh **** it

 

[RickD]

Warning: The Chief of the Frickin' Police did not say what he said and the NG is not, repeat not on a mission to confiscate weapons...

A quote from an American citizen after his guns and the guns of his friends were taken from him: "I guess they were concerned that our guns were bigger than theirs..."

See more at:

Aussie TV broadcast video

mms://media3.abc.net.au/winlibrary/200509/r57994_158857.wmv

ummm the NRA has a statement up

I am aware of NRA's tepid response. I've been checking the NRA site daily. What took them so long and where is their outrage?

To say "a day late and a dollar short" for the NRA is a big understatement.

a positive case so far.

A positive case for what? Rich wants a .pdf of some signed order from the Governor. Many of us don't need that. I surely don't. We see public statements banning citizens from having guns. We've seen videos of people being disarmed to enter the SuperDome and weapons confiscated at the time of this "mandatory evacuation."

If Dave Kopel posted here, I guess his would be locked as well.

http://volokh.com/archives/ archive_2005_09_04-2005_09_10.shtml#1126317466*
*
[David Kopel, September 9, 2005 at 9:57pm]*
*
New Orleans Gun Confiscation is Blatantly Illegal:*
*
On Monday, I'll have an article on the New Orleans gun confiscation on*
Reason.com. But there's one part of the story that's too important to wait:*
the confiscation is plainly illegal. I realize that there are plausible*
arguments that the house-to-house break-ins and gun-point confiscations*
violate the Second, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the United*
States Constitution, as well as numerous provisions of the Louisiana*
Constitution, including the right to arms. Indeed, the confiscations are*
inconsistent with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and with*
natural law. But my point is much more specific. The particular Louisiana*
statute which allows emergency controls on firearms also clearly disallows*
the complete prohibition being imposed by the New Orleans chief of police...

http://www.reason.com/hod/dk091005.shtml

Defenseless On the Bayou
New Orleans gun confiscation is foolish and illegal
Dave Kopel

In the nearly two weeks since Hurricane Katrina, the government of New Orleans has devolved from its traditional status as an elective kleptocracy into something far more dangerous: an anarcho-tyranny that refuses to protect the public from criminals while preventing people from protecting themselves. At the orders of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, the New Orleans Police, the National Guard, the Oklahoma National Guard, and U.S. Marshals have begun breaking into homes at gunpoint, confiscating their lawfully-owned firearms, and evicting the residents. "No one is allowed to be armed. We're going to take all the guns," says P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police.

Lock it up, Rich. Dave isn't bending to your will.*

Rick

 

[Rich Lucibella]

Rich wants a .pdf of some signed order from the Governor.

I've already indicated to you, Rick, if you wish a personal duel of words with me take it to email. I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth; I don't appreciate you baiting me with comments like this; and quite honestly, I find your continued personal attentions a bit....well, strange.

Many of us don't need that. I surely don't.

Fine, then stick to what we do know or post elsewhere. Last I checked, I do not need to clear my decisions with you on my board. OK? OK? OK? If that's unacceptable, vote with your feet.

Here's what we know:
- The Superintendent of the NOPD declared that all citizens would be disarmed at the same time the Mayor stated there would be a news blackout and forced evacs. Neither of the latter two is happening on any sort of large scale....yet you wish to believe the first is. Both these men need to be removed from office, but then, we've all known that for a week.

- The Nat Guard and NOLA police on the street have repeatedly stated they are not forcing people to leave.

- The Governor and the NOLA City Attorney have declared that Nagin is talking out the back of his head and making decrees that he has no power to enforce.

- We have seen ONE documented case of of a lady being manhandled and disarmed; but even in this case, she did not appear to be arrested and it is unclear why she was restrained or removed from her home....though, we'd all agree the use of force seemed a bit excessive.

- We have seen others form armed neighborhood watch groups with tacit acceptance and even encouragement by NOPD and Nat Guard personnel on the scene.

- We have seen others in flex-cuffs claiming that their Constitutional Rights are being violated, yet we know not what caused the arrest or which rights were violated.

So, given this clear-cut picture of massive Gun Sweeps, I encourage you to "carry on". But, if you can't stick to facts, I'll close the thread. Life's unfair, I know. Get over it or die with it on your mind.
Rich

 

[RickD]

 

[Wildalaska]

If we cite political cartoons as arguments in any debate, we are going no where.

WildsocratesriollsoverandbarfsAlaska

 

[RickD]

You incorrectly assume that it was submitted for debate. It was submitted for historical context.

Also, I don't have to go back to ancient Greece to find someone spinning in his grave. Try 200 years ago and go to Pennsylvania or Virginia.

Rick

 

[Rob P.]

Again, in deference to Rich Lucibella.....

I disagree with your position on this, Strongly!

Your position appears to be that unless gun confiscation is "ongoing" then the published occurance (singular or plural) isn't something that we should be alarmed about. My question is: Why not?

If the government is able to do illegal acts just one time, then they will have no qualms in doing so again. One by one we fall to illegal governmental actions and pretty soon most will simply comply due to the unopposable force that can be used by the gov't. After that it'll be acts done all at once in multiple locations with no concern to legality or right & wrong. Pretty soon, there'll be nothing left of our rights.

This is a tactic that is being put to excellent use in gay marriage, gun control, legalization of marijuana, abortion rights, etc. Errosion one step at a time until the oppositon is buried in either fear or acceptance through mindnumbing repetition.

In my belief after due consideration, I feel that the outrage by gun owners across the U.S. is what stopped the disarmament of N.O. The government saw that the people were about to rise up and backed off. This after ONE SINGLE event got national coverage.

You would have us stop our cry of outrage until the govt trys again because you want "proof" that they're still doing it. I say, scream in rage to make sure that they understand that WE WILL NOT LET THEM do it again! We do not "need proof" to tell our government that we will protect our rights.

Once is enough to say "outrageous". Twice will NOT be tolerated.

Again, with respect, - your positon on this is wrong.

 

[Rich Lucibella]

Your position appears to be that unless gun confiscation is "ongoing" then the published occurance (singular or plural) isn't something that we should be alarmed about.

Sigh. Where have I stated any such thing? There are no less than FIVE Open threads on this very topic going on simultaneously.....that's hardly "censorship".

What I will not allow is flights of fantasy about Mexican Troops having been brought in for this purpose (which has already been alluded to) or UN Troops waiting in the wings because our forces are "committed" in Iraq....also brought up already.

What I will not allow is "JBT" painting of all the Rescue Workers down there simply because the Superintendent of NOPD needs to be tarred and feathered. These guys are facing environmental dangers that aren't even known yet; they're wading through stuff that not one in 1,000 of us would handle for 30 minutes; there's a possibility that they'll contract serious ailments weeks after they return to their families.

Does this give them a pass to confiscate legal firearms carried in a legal manner? ABSOLUTELY NOT. But until we see that this is what's happening down there, I'm not gonna allow TFL Members to thump their chests and spew their hatred for all those people involved in the Rescue Effort.

I don't think that's unreasonable. If anyone here does, start a blog and spew away on your own dime. Last I checked, I offered nobody here birthright to my resources. I don't know how I can be more fair or honest than that.
Rich

 

[NY Patriot]

My response to the milquetoast mass mailing that went out from the NRA-ILA...

Thank you for the quick reply. I only wish that the NRA's attitude toward this grave infringement on our rights was a lot more forceful and proactive.

This is without a doubt the most serious infringement on the right to bear arms that I have ever seen. In fact, this may be the most serious threat to our basic liberties that I have witnessed in my lifetime.

The NRA seems to be taking a half-hearted "wait & see" approach to this situation, and that simply will not do! This is where the rubber meets the road... it doesn't get any more serious than CONFISCATION, and the NRA needs to take this matter very seriously!

Thus, as a long time dues paying member, I once again demand that the NRA use it's considerable political and legal resources to stop the confiscation of privately owned firearms NOW!

Thanks again, and I look forward to your reply.

NYPatriot

Member # 1234567890

Again, use it however you see fit!

Keep up the pressure people...