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MUST READ! Classic case of self-defense in Tampa
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bestdefense357
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I can't get the URL right on this. Can someone go to the Tampa Tribune an see if they can post it. Title of the story is, "Barkeep shoots, injures two attackers." Thanks, Robert
http://tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGl1JlFMM7C.html
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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
Here is the correct link...
http://tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGI1JIFMM7C.html
-R
[This message has been edited by robear (edited April 29, 2000).]
http://tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGI1JIFMM7C.html
-R
[This message has been edited by robear (edited April 29, 2000).]
Mike in VA
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Here ya go-
Apr 28, 2000 - 10:29 PM
Barkeep shoots, injures 2 attackers
ACE ATKINS of The Tampa Tribune
For Louis Place, it had been a pretty good night tending bar at the Empire in Ybor City. A DJ had played techno and hip hop music as patrons filled his tip jar with $137 for serving beer and kamikazes.
Place left at 3:45 a.m. Friday, carrying his earnings in a large plastic cup, hoping to get home to sleep.
Just as he was about to get in his truck and head to Temple Terrace, the lanky, soft-spoken, 25-year-old met four men in a red Mustang.
``Show me the money,'' he said one of the men told him.
Place, who had a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson tucked in the waistband of his baggy jeans, refused.
Three of the men climbed out of the Mustang.
They attacked Place, kicking and punching him, according to police. He fell to the asphalt by his truck and covered his face. As his arms and legs began to bleed, Place said he didn't want to use his gun.
His only shooting experience came from trips to the gun range with a buddy or hunting wild hogs with his father.
Then Place heard one of the men order another one to grab the weapon.
Place pulled out the Smith & Wesson and shot one man in the leg. He fired again from his knees. This time, he said, he heard one of his attackers yelp and saw him grab his buttocks. ``He shot me, man,'' the man cried.
As the men piled back into their Mustang, Place ran to the nearby Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. He jumped behind a row of bushes with the gun still in his hands, his heart and breath racing.
He was sure they'd be coming for him.
Instead, a few witnesses approached to see if he was all right. Place walked away from the bushes toward a deputy. He threw the gun to the side and dropped to his knees.
``I wanted him to know I was in full and total cooperation,'' Place said Friday as he ran his hands through his short hair.
A witness had noticed the Mustang and its tag number. Minutes later, paramedics were called to 22nd Street and Hillsborough Avenue.
Police charged four men there with strong- arm robbery: Joshua Adam Dow, 21, Jeremy Lee Mixon, 24, Ryan Joel Mixon, 20, and W. Lee Hill, 22.
Dow was shot in the leg, police said. He was treated and released into police custody. Mixon was taken to Tampa General Hospital, where he was listed in good condition.
None of the men was armed, said Capt. John Garcia, head of Tampa police's major crime bureau.
The Hillsborough County State Attorney's Office will review the shooting, but no charges had been filed against Place on Friday. Although he did not have a concealed weapon permit, the bartender was not breaking the law by carrying the gun from work to his truck, police said.
Place said he understands the dangers of late nights in Ybor City but ``thought this happens to somebody else, anybody else.''
Occasionally, co-workers have asked Place why he carried a gun.
``I told them I hoped I never had to shoot anyone,'' he said, ``but I knew it was them or me.''
Ace Atkins can be reached at (813) 259-7800
Apr 28, 2000 - 10:29 PM
Barkeep shoots, injures 2 attackers
ACE ATKINS of The Tampa Tribune
For Louis Place, it had been a pretty good night tending bar at the Empire in Ybor City. A DJ had played techno and hip hop music as patrons filled his tip jar with $137 for serving beer and kamikazes.
Place left at 3:45 a.m. Friday, carrying his earnings in a large plastic cup, hoping to get home to sleep.
Just as he was about to get in his truck and head to Temple Terrace, the lanky, soft-spoken, 25-year-old met four men in a red Mustang.
``Show me the money,'' he said one of the men told him.
Place, who had a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson tucked in the waistband of his baggy jeans, refused.
Three of the men climbed out of the Mustang.
They attacked Place, kicking and punching him, according to police. He fell to the asphalt by his truck and covered his face. As his arms and legs began to bleed, Place said he didn't want to use his gun.
His only shooting experience came from trips to the gun range with a buddy or hunting wild hogs with his father.
Then Place heard one of the men order another one to grab the weapon.
Place pulled out the Smith & Wesson and shot one man in the leg. He fired again from his knees. This time, he said, he heard one of his attackers yelp and saw him grab his buttocks. ``He shot me, man,'' the man cried.
As the men piled back into their Mustang, Place ran to the nearby Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office. He jumped behind a row of bushes with the gun still in his hands, his heart and breath racing.
He was sure they'd be coming for him.
Instead, a few witnesses approached to see if he was all right. Place walked away from the bushes toward a deputy. He threw the gun to the side and dropped to his knees.
``I wanted him to know I was in full and total cooperation,'' Place said Friday as he ran his hands through his short hair.
A witness had noticed the Mustang and its tag number. Minutes later, paramedics were called to 22nd Street and Hillsborough Avenue.
Police charged four men there with strong- arm robbery: Joshua Adam Dow, 21, Jeremy Lee Mixon, 24, Ryan Joel Mixon, 20, and W. Lee Hill, 22.
Dow was shot in the leg, police said. He was treated and released into police custody. Mixon was taken to Tampa General Hospital, where he was listed in good condition.
None of the men was armed, said Capt. John Garcia, head of Tampa police's major crime bureau.
The Hillsborough County State Attorney's Office will review the shooting, but no charges had been filed against Place on Friday. Although he did not have a concealed weapon permit, the bartender was not breaking the law by carrying the gun from work to his truck, police said.
Place said he understands the dangers of late nights in Ybor City but ``thought this happens to somebody else, anybody else.''
Occasionally, co-workers have asked Place why he carried a gun.
``I told them I hoped I never had to shoot anyone,'' he said, ``but I knew it was them or me.''
Ace Atkins can be reached at (813) 259-7800
bestdefense357
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Mike in VA, thanks much. From what I can tell, the good guy did it the right way. Robert
I must respectfully disagree that the bartender's way of handling that particular situation was the "right way". It WAS NOT "the right way," although I'm certainly happy that he came out on top.
When armed, to allow oneself to be beaten, knocked to the ground, then kicked savagely several times, before using one's weapon to defend oneself, is definitely NOT a smart tactic.
The man was extremely fortunate that the vicious thugs did not get his handgun. Tucked into his waistband, it could very easily have fallen out. At that point, he'd have been a candidate for a scapel dance on a stainless steel autopsy table.
A man or woman can sustain very serious (or fatal) injuries from being beaten and kicked. That is why, in some states, being kicked with shoes/boots, is considered a felonious assualt with a deadly weapon.
I saw a man, once, who had been beaten to death with nothing more than the fists of two assailants. He was hardly recognizable.
I will never allow myself or anyone with me, to be beaten half to death before fighting back. So, all I can say is that if I am armed and people threaten me, and make it clear they intend to attack me, then they will have to suffer the consequences of dealing with my very good friend, Col. Colt and his nine little .45 sisters. FWIW. J.B.
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When armed, to allow oneself to be beaten, knocked to the ground, then kicked savagely several times, before using one's weapon to defend oneself, is definitely NOT a smart tactic.
The man was extremely fortunate that the vicious thugs did not get his handgun. Tucked into his waistband, it could very easily have fallen out. At that point, he'd have been a candidate for a scapel dance on a stainless steel autopsy table.
A man or woman can sustain very serious (or fatal) injuries from being beaten and kicked. That is why, in some states, being kicked with shoes/boots, is considered a felonious assualt with a deadly weapon.
I saw a man, once, who had been beaten to death with nothing more than the fists of two assailants. He was hardly recognizable.
I will never allow myself or anyone with me, to be beaten half to death before fighting back. So, all I can say is that if I am armed and people threaten me, and make it clear they intend to attack me, then they will have to suffer the consequences of dealing with my very good friend, Col. Colt and his nine little .45 sisters. FWIW. J.B.
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He probably would have eventually gotten off on disparity of force if he had fired when they got out of the car, but because he waited until they really started trouncing him, most likely no charges will even be filed. No court time, no expense. Pretty good day for him. He rode the line and won. He could have lost. The difference between facing charges and possible jail time, and losing your life are measured in seconds.
The guy din't have a CCW, He wa scarrying a handgun. He resisted all that he could, to the point of physical harm. It was at that point that he decided to escalate to the next, and only other force he had left.
Why isn't that the "right way". Any other way, and he'd be in jail, or in the morgue.
I think he should now go get the CCW.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
Why isn't that the "right way". Any other way, and he'd be in jail, or in the morgue.
I think he should now go get the CCW.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
Did he do the right thing - absolutely.
But I can't help but think that if he had killed any of them, $137 isn't much for a lifetime of therapy and nightmares.
I'd have presented when they got out of the car, the attack would never have taken place, why take the chance when there are overwhelming odds against you and the intent to do harm is clear.
Mike H
But I can't help but think that if he had killed any of them, $137 isn't much for a lifetime of therapy and nightmares.
I'd have presented when they got out of the car, the attack would never have taken place, why take the chance when there are overwhelming odds against you and the intent to do harm is clear.
Mike H