If you can read this and remain without emotion, then you are already dead!
Read each "hielo" post in order:
http://forums.ar15.com/Forum3/HTML/018787.html
Read each "hielo" post in order:
http://forums.ar15.com/Forum3/HTML/018787.html
Must Read .. CA Registration brings back Memories
- Thread starter Gary H
- Start date
Travis McGee
New member
Gary: Thanks for linking that awesome thread! I wish Hielo was posting on TFL and Free Republic!! I will never register, and in Kali that means next January I become an enemy of the state. I will not be herded on to the cattle cars disarmed!! If you get a chance, look for the movie on video called "Escape From Sobibor" with Alan Arkin and Rutger Hauer. Sobibor was a death camp like Auschwitz in eastern Poland, with a "permanent" staff of Jews of about a thousand. They plotted and overthrew the guards by attacking a few for their pistols, and then getting a few more etc. Finally they rushed the wire, the machine gun towers they could not take out killed half of them as they ran to the woods. Really an excellent movie, try to find it. NEVER REGISTER! I may see you in the woods, but NEVER on the boxcar!
Do a search on hielo's old posts. He also talks about the 1948 War in Palestine. His posts make my hair stand up on end.
I went to his site at http://www.wetworx.com and found my own photos there. I feel honored.
Oleg
I went to his site at http://www.wetworx.com and found my own photos there. I feel honored.
Oleg
What I found interesting is comments like this.
“I also found him to be pleasant, intellegent, and almost "on our side".
He doesn't seem too pleased with the new AW laws.
I don't feel any "trickery" on his part, and regardless of what some here might think, I'd rather be dealing with someone like him than someone who just stonewalls us.”
They are missing the whole point of hielo’s posts. It does not matter that the person is nice and may be on your side…. It does not matter in the end. The simple fact still remains that the laws that they are in charge of upholding are unconstitutional.
The point of hielo’s post is don’t trust them. They will betray you in the end. What do you think is going to happen here folks, when HCI and others turn up the heat on our government for the actions of those in the DOJ who are on our side? When the powers that be tell these agents that if they do not straighten up and fly right or loose their jobs? They will turn on you just as sure as night turns to day.
The point of hielo’s post is don’t trust ANY of them…. Don’t cooperate with ANY of them. The very fact that what they are doing is evil and contrary to the laws of nature, should warn us to fight them with everything we have.
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
“I also found him to be pleasant, intellegent, and almost "on our side".
He doesn't seem too pleased with the new AW laws.
I don't feel any "trickery" on his part, and regardless of what some here might think, I'd rather be dealing with someone like him than someone who just stonewalls us.”
They are missing the whole point of hielo’s posts. It does not matter that the person is nice and may be on your side…. It does not matter in the end. The simple fact still remains that the laws that they are in charge of upholding are unconstitutional.
The point of hielo’s post is don’t trust them. They will betray you in the end. What do you think is going to happen here folks, when HCI and others turn up the heat on our government for the actions of those in the DOJ who are on our side? When the powers that be tell these agents that if they do not straighten up and fly right or loose their jobs? They will turn on you just as sure as night turns to day.
The point of hielo’s post is don’t trust ANY of them…. Don’t cooperate with ANY of them. The very fact that what they are doing is evil and contrary to the laws of nature, should warn us to fight them with everything we have.
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
I posted this because of the personal nature of the posts mentioned. I thought that it was a good reminder of what misery human beings can bring upon others. I intend to obey the law regarding my obligation as a citizen in California, but I must pay tribute to those who have seen much more in their lives than I. I hope never to see such things, nor witness events of this kind anywhere in the world, but in every garden there are weeds and with the rains comes all sorts of vegetation.
Gary H:
The point of Hielo's post is if you comply with them you will in fact be helping to add to human missery down the road. It may not be this administration, but it does open the way for some would be traitor down the road to have a free rain. At some point, without our arms or with those in power knowing who has those arms, they can commit these crimes without worry. It's the whole purpose of the 2nd, to prevent this.
Another interesting sidenote that I learned in studying history. They do not only go after the guns, but they go after the gun owners. They are more afraid of the gun owner as one who knows how to use them, than they are of the actual gun. In all cases, before genocide, the gun owners were the first ones rounded up and sent to the gas chambers.
We are far from something like that happening here.... buy why give someone in the future the ability to do such a thing?
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
The point of Hielo's post is if you comply with them you will in fact be helping to add to human missery down the road. It may not be this administration, but it does open the way for some would be traitor down the road to have a free rain. At some point, without our arms or with those in power knowing who has those arms, they can commit these crimes without worry. It's the whole purpose of the 2nd, to prevent this.
Another interesting sidenote that I learned in studying history. They do not only go after the guns, but they go after the gun owners. They are more afraid of the gun owner as one who knows how to use them, than they are of the actual gun. In all cases, before genocide, the gun owners were the first ones rounded up and sent to the gas chambers.
We are far from something like that happening here.... buy why give someone in the future the ability to do such a thing?
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Richard
The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
Juan Hunt Greer
New member
Ye Gods and little fishes!
crankshaft
crankshaft
Bookie:
I understood the original purpose of the post. Let's get real. Don't you realize that the government doesn't need for you to register your guns in order to find you and the guns. They can find you via your posts on any of the boards. They can confiscate sales receipts from gun shops, gun ranges and waiting period paperwork. I can think of many ways that they can find you. Registration is not needed. Now, in order to know exactly what guns you own, they need documentation, but they can easily identify all of us rocket scientists through this forum. I'm not saying that they will, but they certainly could obtain your registration information and trace you down. As for all of you who act so very tough. How many of you have actually faced the full force of the state? We will see how tough you are. I'm telling you that if you want to go against the law, you had better be willing to pay the price. Law has nothing to do with right, or wrong and much of it, including many non-second amendment issues, are clearly unconstitutional, but your ass will still be put in a sling and you may lose your profession, family, health and all that you own. You had better get smart early on, because tough talk can cause you more trouble. Fight with your mind and get active locally. Fight legally and within the system. It takes time, money and your own efforts. Think globally, but act locally. Testosterone will not win this battle. We need more grey matter. Gun owners and conservatives tend to be individualist and non-joiners. Our very nature make us easy to defeat. Think about it.
I understood the original purpose of the post. Let's get real. Don't you realize that the government doesn't need for you to register your guns in order to find you and the guns. They can find you via your posts on any of the boards. They can confiscate sales receipts from gun shops, gun ranges and waiting period paperwork. I can think of many ways that they can find you. Registration is not needed. Now, in order to know exactly what guns you own, they need documentation, but they can easily identify all of us rocket scientists through this forum. I'm not saying that they will, but they certainly could obtain your registration information and trace you down. As for all of you who act so very tough. How many of you have actually faced the full force of the state? We will see how tough you are. I'm telling you that if you want to go against the law, you had better be willing to pay the price. Law has nothing to do with right, or wrong and much of it, including many non-second amendment issues, are clearly unconstitutional, but your ass will still be put in a sling and you may lose your profession, family, health and all that you own. You had better get smart early on, because tough talk can cause you more trouble. Fight with your mind and get active locally. Fight legally and within the system. It takes time, money and your own efforts. Think globally, but act locally. Testosterone will not win this battle. We need more grey matter. Gun owners and conservatives tend to be individualist and non-joiners. Our very nature make us easy to defeat. Think about it.
To all. Some of us are checking into how the registration form works. We are hoping to swamp them with some fake forms.
Been camping this weekend, but hoping to find out more.
2 items we are trying to figure out -
1) If finger print is needed
2) If photo copy forms are acceptable
the 3rd problem is the $20 fee. We are thinking 2 stage 'protest'.
1) swamp 'em with fakes and no money. Make them respond
2) 2nd phase is to pony up $20 register a fake weapon with fake name and a CA address. Use names like Jack Scott (AB273) and Perata (SB23).
More info may start appearing under this topic of conversation.
madison
Been camping this weekend, but hoping to find out more.
2 items we are trying to figure out -
1) If finger print is needed
2) If photo copy forms are acceptable
the 3rd problem is the $20 fee. We are thinking 2 stage 'protest'.
1) swamp 'em with fakes and no money. Make them respond
2) 2nd phase is to pony up $20 register a fake weapon with fake name and a CA address. Use names like Jack Scott (AB273) and Perata (SB23).
More info may start appearing under this topic of conversation.
madison
Randy Davis
New member
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Travis McGee:
Gary: Thanks for linking that awesome thread! I wish Hielo was posting on TFL and Free Republic!! I will never register, and in Kali that means next January I become an enemy of the state. I will not be herded on to the cattle cars disarmed!! ...
NEVER REGISTER! I may see you in the woods, but NEVER on the boxcar![/quote]
Travis,
Yes, I agree 100%.
I will never ever register any weapons, including my many AW's here in Kalifornication-land.
Those Californian's who DO register their AW's with the State, I spit on you, for you are nothing but the spineless cowards that gave up thier guns in the 1930's.
Thanks to "Hielo" for reminding us all how the tyranny of the German Nazi's and thier gun control laws lead to the deaths of so many people.
You US agents of tyranny want em' ?
You come and get em. Just dont expect to go home in one piece, or at all.
And dont forget to bring plenty of beans, bullets and bodybags.
You will need them !
Nuff said !
Randy, enemy of the State.
Gary: Thanks for linking that awesome thread! I wish Hielo was posting on TFL and Free Republic!! I will never register, and in Kali that means next January I become an enemy of the state. I will not be herded on to the cattle cars disarmed!! ...
NEVER REGISTER! I may see you in the woods, but NEVER on the boxcar![/quote]
Travis,
Yes, I agree 100%.
I will never ever register any weapons, including my many AW's here in Kalifornication-land.
Those Californian's who DO register their AW's with the State, I spit on you, for you are nothing but the spineless cowards that gave up thier guns in the 1930's.
Thanks to "Hielo" for reminding us all how the tyranny of the German Nazi's and thier gun control laws lead to the deaths of so many people.
You US agents of tyranny want em' ?
You come and get em. Just dont expect to go home in one piece, or at all.
And dont forget to bring plenty of beans, bullets and bodybags.
You will need them !
Nuff said !
Randy, enemy of the State.
AFAIK, the form requires a right thumbprint impression.
When you apply for a California Driver License or Identification card, a right thumbprint impression is also taken... (or is it left? Anyone remember for sure?)
If it IS the right, what a dandy way to cross reference things.
hielo's postings gave me the chills.
Cliff
[This message has been edited by Cliff (edited September 24, 2000).]
When you apply for a California Driver License or Identification card, a right thumbprint impression is also taken... (or is it left? Anyone remember for sure?)
If it IS the right, what a dandy way to cross reference things.
hielo's postings gave me the chills.
Cliff
[This message has been edited by Cliff (edited September 24, 2000).]
Gary H.,
Just spoke with Sac Co. sheriff deputy. He has some AR-15's. He said I could get the forms at most gun stores.........???
Can we find out more?
madison
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary H:
The form is made of thick stiff paper that is not to be folded. I understand that it is wise to have your local law enforcement agency to do the fingerprints to assure that they are correctly imprinted.[/quote]
Just spoke with Sac Co. sheriff deputy. He has some AR-15's. He said I could get the forms at most gun stores.........???
Can we find out more?
madison
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gary H:
The form is made of thick stiff paper that is not to be folded. I understand that it is wise to have your local law enforcement agency to do the fingerprints to assure that they are correctly imprinted.[/quote]
Travis McGee
New member
Randy Davis: Glad to see you are on my side amigo. My opinion is that any person who registers in Kali is an idiot: the detach mag SKS's were registered one year, then banned the next. Do you think it will be different with your AR-15s and so on? When the state classifies a type of arm as so dangerous (to whom?) that it must be registered, It should be put into a war cache. It will not go to another range, and that is a shame, but so what? Out in Kali where the kevlar clad SWAT teams kill 11 year olds on no-knock raids, it is interesting that the government wants to ban the only weapons useful in resisting kevlar clad gestapo in the future. So I would recommend practicing with a bolt gun, and putting the semis into an accessible cache with ammo and cleaning gear for a rainy day. And I never speak of rebellion, but only of upholding my sworn oath to defend the constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. And for the rest of you lining up to get your fingerprint cards, you will not see me behind your barbed wire.
No one is going to be "coming for you". Most likely a warrant will be put out for your arrest and you wil be nabbed at a traffic stop when you leats expect it. Hope you like bologna sandwiches and milk, because what Clinton did with turning our justice system into a profit earning business and the drug trade, Gore is going to do with "illegal" firearms.
I am not from the peoples republic of califirnia, so I dont have your problems, at least not yet.
It seems to me that if you do not register your so called "assault rifle", it
will never go to the range again to be fired.
If you bury your rifle for when the shtf,
and they have any record of you owning the rifle, they will eventually come to confiscate the rifle and /or arrest you.
A legal way out of this is to have the rifle shipped out of state by an ffl dealer to another ffl dealer in some other state and sold to a resident of that other state.
Other options could be considered at this point but at least the rifle is out of Cal.
at this point in time.
If it were myself, I would move to a pro-gun state and get away from the bad vibes.
It seems to me that if you do not register your so called "assault rifle", it
will never go to the range again to be fired.
If you bury your rifle for when the shtf,
and they have any record of you owning the rifle, they will eventually come to confiscate the rifle and /or arrest you.
A legal way out of this is to have the rifle shipped out of state by an ffl dealer to another ffl dealer in some other state and sold to a resident of that other state.
Other options could be considered at this point but at least the rifle is out of Cal.
at this point in time.
If it were myself, I would move to a pro-gun state and get away from the bad vibes.
oberkommando
New member
I will register on the first month of sundays.
As to all the ffl and selling outta state, you dont need to you just have to go to another states gun show and sell it private party to resident of that state, you can even tell them you did it with the "gun show loop hole." Everyone knows that loop hole thanks to clinton. So its a good d-fens.
Thats what I would have done if I didnt have that canoeing accident where all my guns got losts in the colorado river.
As to all the ffl and selling outta state, you dont need to you just have to go to another states gun show and sell it private party to resident of that state, you can even tell them you did it with the "gun show loop hole." Everyone knows that loop hole thanks to clinton. So its a good d-fens.
Thats what I would have done if I didnt have that canoeing accident where all my guns got losts in the colorado river.
Guys, why don't we agree upon a legal and intelligent approach. It has already been hinted at. Some of us will have a very difficult time leaving California, but will be able to do so after many years. I fall into that category. If I register my guns, I can use them pre-confiscation.
Should the need arise (confiscation), I will ask those of you that live in a gun friendly state, if you would be willing to buy, $1.00, our California guns. Those of us selling can put our money together and buy a safe for storage at your local. The sale would be legal and the guns would remain in the safe. Upon leaving California, you would sell the gun back for the same $1.00. Perhaps each safe would hold sixty rifles. So, a number of members would be contributing to the purchase of the safe. At the end of the day, after many years, you would have a good size safe and a lifelong friend, that is, other than your dog.
Should the need arise (confiscation), I will ask those of you that live in a gun friendly state, if you would be willing to buy, $1.00, our California guns. Those of us selling can put our money together and buy a safe for storage at your local. The sale would be legal and the guns would remain in the safe. Upon leaving California, you would sell the gun back for the same $1.00. Perhaps each safe would hold sixty rifles. So, a number of members would be contributing to the purchase of the safe. At the end of the day, after many years, you would have a good size safe and a lifelong friend, that is, other than your dog.