rep1954 Is a rifled firearm whose overal length is more than 26” with a barrel length of more than 16” considered a rifle even though it does not have a shoulder stock?
§478.11 Meaning of terms.
Rifle. A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
Absolutely not.MagnumWill Depends. If it isn't a build from a stripped receiver, then the serial number dictates what it is.
That's not a very accurate statement. (How do you build a stripped AR?)For example, if you build a stripped AR15 with a 20" barrel, unless you physically put a rifle stock on it, it can be whatever you want, rifle, "firearm", or pistol. There's nothing against a pistol with a VERY long barrel.
If the firearm in question was first assembled as a "pistol":Bill DeShivs Then, if the gun is converted to a "firearm," can it legally be converted back into a rifle?
First...my "how do you build a stripped AR" is kind of tongue in cheek because if it's "built" it isn't "stripped".rep1954“How do you build a stripped AR?”
I live in the state of Michigan and when you buy a stripped AR lower they do a background check on you and then sell you a unregistered lower.
Are you sure that's your state law? Because that's not Federal law.When you build it into a firearm or rifle you need not do anything else as far as they are concerned. If you put a stock on it before turning it into a pistol you are breaking the law because once you had put a stock on it you have a rifle and nothing short of a tax stamp will change that.
I'm glad you came back to that. I was about to get my 'frantic typing' gloves on and have at it.Now it's accurate to say: "First a rifle, always a rifle".
Absolutely not.
A firearm serial number has absolutely nothing to do with whether a firearm is a handgun/rifle/shotgun/silencer/etc
it may subsequently be reconfigured as a rifle or other firearm and later be configured back to pistol.
Okay, show us in Federal law or ATF regulations where a firearms serial number indicates whether its a pistol/shotgun/rifle/etc.MagnumWillQuote:
Absolutely not.
A firearm serial number has absolutely nothing to do with whether a firearm is a handgun/rifle/shotgun/silencer/etc
That is extraordinary false.
But that wasn't your claim was it?Go buy a standard Mossberg 500 and if you throw a Shockwave barrel/grip on it doesn't suddenly make it a Shockwave. It makes it a prison sentence....
This is why you should never post about firearms law ever, ever again. Despite me posting a link to ATF Ruling 2011-4 above, you still post nonsense…...and that nonsense became nonsense almost EIGHT YEARS AGO!Quote:
it may subsequently be reconfigured as a rifle or other firearm and later be configured back to pistol.
Also alarmingly false. Someone who obviously never heard the term "once a rifle, always a rifle" yet decides to post in the NFA forum...
You wouldn't know the law if someone posted a link to it.Is it lunacy? OF COURSE. It is the law? Yes, unfortunately.
No, Tom is correct. You’re the one who shouldn’t be posting bad information in the NFA forum.That is extraordinary false. Go buy a standard Mossberg 500 and if you throw a Shockwave barrel/grip on it doesn't suddenly make it a Shockwave. It makes it a prison sentence....dogtown tom said:Absolutely not.
A firearm serial number has absolutely nothing to do with whether a firearm is a handgun/rifle/shotgun/silencer/etc
Also alarmingly false. Someone who obviously never heard the term "once a rifle, always a rifle" yet decides to post in the NFA forum...dogtown tom said:it may subsequently be reconfigured as a rifle or other firearm and later be configured back to pistol.
Is it lunacy? OF COURSE. It is the law? Yes, unfortunately.
A firearm serial number has absolutely nothing to do with whether a firearm is a handgun/rifle/shotgun/silencer/etc
What "dictates" whether a particular firearm is a rifle/pistol/etc is by the definitions in Federal law/ATF regulations.
This is true, if it was manufactured before 1968 and never had a serial number applied. Both conditions must apply, or its not legal.In fact, some firearms are not required to have serial numbers.
Don't forget 80% or "homemade" firearms...no serial# or any other marking required under Federal law.44 AMP Quote:
This is true, if it was manufactured before 1968 and never had a serial number applied. Both conditions must apply, or its not legal.Quote:
In fact, some firearms are not required to have serial numbers.
Don't forget 80% or "homemade" firearms...no serial# or any other marking required under Federal law.
I was referring to making a "80% or "homemade" firearm" into a complete firearm.44 AMPQuote:
Don't forget 80% or "homemade" firearms...no serial# or any other marking required under Federal law.
As I understand it, 80% is just that, its not a firearm because its only 80% finished, so no number needed until it becomes a firearm.
There is no federal requirement to engrave any information on a firearm you make yourself for personal use.And I'm no expert, best ask them direct, but while I think there isn't a ser# requirement for something you make, it only applies as long as it's yours. If you sell it, trade it, or give it to someone else, a serial # is required, and I believe it must be at least 3 digits or more. Plus the name and address of the maker, because its now "in commerce".