Musing on Presidential Politics: The big picture

Futo Inu

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I've got a thought about how the recent past can predict the future of presidential races. Let's look at the big picture for a moment at what's actually been happening since 1992. Basically, the two parties in the two-party system have been fighting tooth and nail to grab the "center" from the other since Bill Clinton more or less invented the style of becoming 100% centrist on all issues. Prior to that time, although politicians obviously gravitated toward the center, they had at least maintained the basic ideals of their parties, at least in the written platforms, be it liberal or conservative. Well, regardless of how you feel about third parties, they have been the difference in '92 and '00, 2/3rds of the last 3 elections (assuming Dubya wins). In '92, George Bush Sr. had basically abandoned the fiscally conservative part of the republicans, and it cost him the election because Perot grabbed this ground (no one disputes that Perot cost Bush the election). Likewise, Algore abandoned the liberals environment-wise and anti-big-business-wise in '00, and Nader grabbed this ground, and this cost Gore the election (I believe no one will dispute that Nader blew it for Gore, assuming Dubya wins). So basically, the politicians from the duocratic parties have paid a heavy price for abandoning certain parts of their base, materially enough, and for long enough. BUT, the Republicans have NOT YET paid the price for abandoning us gun owners (as they repeatedly have - Gingrich et al. voted for the '94 gun bans - I could go on and on). Though they have not yet paid the price for abandoning us (because of course they THINK we have "no place to go"), at least NOW they will begin to BELIEVE they will ultimately pay the price in the future if they don't change. Some third party person is always going to grab up the discontented segment's issue under thier banner, be it Perot or Buchanan or Harry Browne or Howard Phillips or whomever. So this can obviously work to our advantage in the future, both during Dubya's administration and thereafter. We must demand absolutely NO compromise of gun rights during Bush's time, and repeatedly threaten to abandoned the Repubs if they don't support this right, and create circumstances to make our threats credible, such as showing support for pro-gunners such as Buchanan or Browne at the slightest misstep. Then of course we must follow through and actually cost them the election if they don't take notice, just as Perot did with the fiscal conservatives in '92. We must look big picure now. In other words, I guess I've come round to the vote-your-conscience crowd. But this is not vote-your-conscience, damn-the-consequences. Rather, it is vote-your-conscience because this will bring about a net gain of positive consequences in the long run. I know this is preaching to the choir, as average Joe gun owner THINKS the Repubs are in favor of gun rights. They don't realize the Repubs are on the bandwagon for slowly eliminating the rights, just over a longer period of time....

[Edited by Futo Inu on 11-25-2000 at 05:26 PM]
 
More devisiveness is just what we need.......it just seems to me that since libertarians arent in play except in the spoiler role, they have to carp at every canidate that is a rival for votes they feel should be their's......
Futo, you make some interesting observations about the center and the positioning that is done by canidates. I too would like to be in a position to make the politicians who have trashed the constitution--pay and pay dearly. I dont know how that can be done (realistically not this fantasy of electing browne, to cure the political ills of the country), and not leave the enemy in charge. Have you noticed how hard it is to get them out of power once they have power?........look at ted Kennedy, bill clinton, algore, and Im sure there is a few more. If your expecting the american people to rise up and revolt.........I dont think it will happen, with all the turmoil that isgoing on in this election we are seeing the constitution and legal system at work, its definitely under strain but its still working.
I dont know if you ever listen to Neal Boortz or not...but he has put forth the idea that George Bush ought to concede, now in fairness I only caught a bit of it, but I clearly heard him say that several times and his chess player reasoning before I was out of range of his signal.
Thats the type of reasoning that he is putting forth that has cost us dearly in many elections, this mythical high ground argument......you cant fight mafia thugs with choirboys. We need to fight them every step of the way, and we are.....what most us appear to have forgotten is that we are still in an uphill battle, we are not starting out even,,,,,we are still coming from behind. We cannot afford to give an inch, Ive heard the pundits talk about how the next election in 2002 will cause the congress to change hands..........as far as I know no one really knows the future, and a lot of damage can be done in two years. We have a republican congress who apparently barely manage to scrape a pair up between them and as boortz said the republican congress would need to be strong to defeat canidate for president, algore. We know they are not that strong, yet...but they are in play and we have to tune them up....
This is our sacrafice to make......not the supposed glory of combat, or the acknowledgement and accolades of our fellow americans .......just the daily grind, the tenacity to perservere and to continue to push for what we want.
No matter who is the best for the job we have to work with what we have, more often then not life is compromise.
.......fubsy.....
 
Idealism meets the real world... It's not pretty.

Your comments bring to mind the S&W boycott. The example set there will clearly explain the position of American gun owners to those who are on the fence on gun control.

Ken
 
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