Most concise and convincing argument against gun control?

jkkimberfan

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I believe the quickest, most concise argument against gun control, when I only have a few seconds to make my point to gun control libs, is the comparison of blaming cars for drunk driving. We shouldn't ban cars, just because a small percentage drive drunk. We should not blame guns for gun crime, just because a small percentage use guns for evil. I believe every gun supporter should have one or two ready to interject when needed. Another of my favorites is to cite Washington DC's sky high gun crime rate and then note that they have a total ban on handguns, that bans do not work, they only disarm the law abiding. What is your favorite short and concise argument? :confused:
 
What convinced me can be stated simply. People have the right to self-defense. The only gun that will be useful for self-defense is the gun you have, which almost always means a handgun, and that implies that handguns should be ok.

Rifles and shotguns have obvious sporting purposes (i.e. are much less controversial than handguns), and if handguns are good too, then gun control is a failed concept.
 
That begs the question as to what gun control is.
Outlawing the discharge of firearms within the city limits is gun control.
Confiscating all firearms is not.
 
First as to stop calling it gun control and call it what it is: victim disarmament (even more catchy as VD), mandatory/forced helplessness, or subjugation. My latest thing to say is that I spend a lot of time at firing ranges and never fear at all for anything happening to me. I then ask them why that is.
 
Two recent shootings offer perfect examples:

Omaha mall, full gun control, guy walks in with gun he's not supposed to have in the first place (guns not allowed in mall) and shoots many, uncontested, before shooting self.

Colorado Springs church, guy walks in with gun he's not supposed to have in the first place (stolen) and shoots few before being stopped dead in his tracks by trained and lawful CWP holder.
 
If you want to take my right to own and bear arms, I want your right to freedom of speech first. Fair is fair and once you give that up I won't have to listen to you anymore!

:D
 
My take is a little different.

When people tell me, "We need more gun laws," I tell them, "How about more cocaine laws?"

The smarter ones get the point instantly. The denser ones take a while . . . sometimes never getting it.

Jeff
 
Statistically, legal firearms owners are the most law abiding people there are. Also, check the violent crime rates of areas with the most restrictive gun laws and compare them to those that not only allow gun ownership but also concealed carry. Lastly, I think I got this from someone on this board but have been using it whenever I can. Hope they don't mind but it is brilliant. Here goes:
Dear Anti-Gun Friends,
I am opening a dialogue with you to better comprehend
your position through reviewing your responses to a few
questions. After you've read my questions and the
provided links, I'll answer any questions you may have
regarding my strong belief in the right to keep and bear
arms, and I hope you will truthfully answer the questions
I pose to you below:

1) Do you believe the government is always honest with
the people?

2) A woman who is unarmed is easy prey for an armed
rapist. But there are many places in America where a
woman cannot legally carry a gun to protect herself from
attack. Do you think it is better for a woman to be raped
than to fend off a rapist in self-defense with a gun? If
so, why? If not, then do you advise women to resist armed
rapists with their bare hands?

3) Britain has effectively disarmed its citizens. Their
own Olympic shooters had to ship guns out of the country
or turn them in to be destroyed. But if more gun control
decreases crime, why is Britain experiencing an epidemic
of gun-related violence? (See
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/gun)

4) Washington, D.C. has a per capita murder rate of 69
per 100,000 with the strictest gun control laws in the
country. Indianapolis, with much more gun freedom, only
has 9 murders per 100,000 residents. If disarming people
makes cities safer, how can this be?

5) There are tens of thousands of cases of people getting
no response from the 911 system--including scores of
cases where people were still wounded or killed after
having dialed 911. If a criminal is already inside your
house, garage, or car, is dialing 911 really the most
effective way of immediately dealing with the situation?
(Seehttp://www.channel2000.com/news/stories/news-970713-12
4534.html)

6) Police also have no legal requirement to protect you
when you call for help. People attacked by criminals and
injured after calling police for help cannot sue in court
and win. This places the responsibility of personal
protection in the hands of each individual. Does it make
sense that the individual be denied the same access to
tools for self-protection that police enjoy? (See
http://rkba.org/research/kasler/protection and also
http://dial911.itgo.com)

7) Every national gun licensing and registration in
history has led to confiscation. Gun registration in
America has already led to confiscation in New York and
California. (See
http://www.sierratimes.com/arjj020700.htm) If you support
gun registration in America, would you please explain how
having their guns registered helped the citizens in
China, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, the Soviet Union, or
Uganda? Do you think gun registration was beneficial to
the Jews in Germany, the Cambodians under Pol Pot, or the
Chinese under Mao Tse Tung? (See
http://www.jpfo.org/L-laws.htm.)

8) Why are the media and the government working in unison
to disarm America when the most in-depth scientific
studies on the subject of private gun ownership shows
that more guns in the hands of citizens REDUCES violent
crime? (See
http://www.reasonmag.com/0001/fe.js.cold.html) What
agenda for the US do they have planned that requires
disarming the citizens of our country?

9) Criminals get guns, knives, and bludgeons any time
they wish, and they disobey whatever laws they
wish--including laws against robbery, rape, and murder.
Why would you want to make law-abiding citizens easier
prey by taking away their guns?
(Seehttp://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/01/16/s
tinwenws02004.html?999)

10) We rarely see both sides of the gun debate issue on
national television. Why is that? It has already been
proven by the most in-depth scientific study on the
subject of guns and crime that more guns in the hands of
law-abiding citizens means less crime.

11) The ACLU and most Americans think a door-to-door
search for drugs is a gross violation of civil rights.
Many gun banners would like to see door-to-door
confiscation of guns. Are you willing to have Your Home
searched for guns (or anything else) any time the
government wishes to do so?

12) Every year Americans citizens legally kill 3-5 times
as many criminals as are killed by all the law
enforcement officials combined. Approximately 2-1/2 million times
a year, citizens use guns to legally thwart
crime--usually when they are the intended victims. If
citizens are disarmed, these intended victims will be
defenseless against armed criminals. Are you saying that
millions of Americans each year should have no right to
stop criminals who are victimizing them? Would
you prefer to give many more criminals the ability to
succeed each year?

13) Today, many men and women have reason to believe that
the Federal government is intent on disarming the
American people as a means to significantly greater
control the way citizens in disarmed China, Germany, the
Soviet Union and Cuba are controlled. If these people are
right, does this concern you?

14) There are 3,600 citizens in America for every law
enforcement officer. (75,000 to 270,000,000) Do you
believe each law enforcement officer can protect 3,600
people from violent criminals?

See next post for the other half.
 
The other half:

15) When they express anger, law-abiding gun owners are
presented as "extremists" in today's media.
American public servants surrounded by armed bodyguards
and/or living in neighborhoods with private security are
telling law-abiding citizens we cannot carry or even own
(some cities/states) a gun--not even to protect ourselves
and our families. Do you see the hypocrisy?
Can you understand why tolerance pushed beyond a limit
of fairness leads to justifiable anger? Can you
understand why being told we cannot enjoy the same safety
our leaders enjoy invokes outrage? Is a politician's life
more important than your life? If so, why?

16) Mainstream media, which uses the publicly-owned
electromagnetic spectrum to broadcast, has clearly proven
to be biased against guns; it is not presenting both
sides of the issue. (See
http://www.keepandbeararms.org/media_bias.htm) On the
other hand, http://www.citizensofamerica.org has a media
program that presents the pro-gun side of the
story. If you believe in "equality" regarding
public property, should COA be given free media time to
present their case? And just why IS the media so biased
in the first place? (And why might the government be
anti-gun?)

17) In many areas of the nation, a woman who is being
stalked by her ex-husband must wait 10 days to purchase a
gun--even if her life has been threatened. Why should
law-abiding people in fear of their lives wait 10 days to
get a gun when criminals have no waiting periods?

18) Criminals often kill people who've already turned
over their money and put up no resistance. If a woman
does not resist and the criminal intends to rape her, she
will be raped. Do you think the government has a right to
require women to submit to rape? If so, why?

19) Are we supposed to simply Submit when confronted with
an armed rapist or murderer and leave our ourselves at
their mercy? If so, why? Can you see how our society
would revert to utter lawlessness if everyone agreed to
simply submit to armed criminals?

20) Many anti-gun people use child gun-related accidents
and/or deaths as a reason for banning guns. Seeing that
more children drown every year than are killed by guns,
do you support banning swimming pools?

21) Current federal law now limits the capacity of a
gun's magazine to 10 rounds. Police often empty their
guns without ever stopping a criminal. If you were out
alone at a roadside rest area and were approached by 3
hardened criminals with obvious intent to do you harm,
would you want to be limited to only 10 rounds?

22) Cars are commonly used to commit crimes. Far more
people die in cars every year than by guns--and no
Constitutional Amendment guarantees our rights to own
cars. Because more people die every year in cars than by
guns, do you support a ban on cars? There are also an
alarming number of crimes committed under the influence
of alcohol. Would you support a ban on alcohol
considering it didn't work the last time they tried it?

23) Mayors of several cities in America are suing gun
manufacturers under the guise of recovering costs of
gun-related injuries which took place in their cities.
Because more people are hurt or killed in cars than by
guns, do you support these mayors in suing car
manufacturers?

24) Numerous cities in America criminalize carrying guns
for self-defense. These same cities make exceptions for
people carrying money and jewels. Do you agree that money
and jewels are more important to protect than people's
lives?

25) The National Guard is paid by the Federal government,
occupies property leased to the Federal government, uses
weapons owned by the Federal government, and punishes
trespassers under Federal law. Do you truly believe the
National Guard is a State agency?

26) The National Guard is also what is commonly called
the modern-day militia in anti-gun propaganda as a way of
trying to deal with the Second Amendment. If the
Constitution was referring to the National Guard with the
term "militia," how can we account for the fact
that the Second Amendment was ratified in 1787--while the
National Guard was created by an act of Congress in 1917?

27) The FBI and ATF (agencies of the Federal government)
gunned down innocent women and children and burned most
of the evidence down to the ground in Waco. They murdered
Randy Weaver's wife. The police and other state agencies
shot to death Donald Scott in a bogus drug raid in
California. Why would you trust these government agencies
with fully automatic weapons but not trust a law-abiding
individual with a simple self-defense handgun?

28) The law-abiding gun owners of today are presented as
"gun nuts, extremists, militia fanatics, and
killers" in the communications media. Is it possible
they are depicted this way to sway public opinion toward
disliking guns? If so, why would they do that? How is
this different from the way the news organs of Nazi
Germany, China, the Soviet Union, Cambodia, and Cuba
propagandized against the segments of their societies
that opposed complete state control?

29) Many documented statements by anti-gun groups claim
that the Second Amendment refers to the power of the
States to keep and bear arms. In other sections of the
Constitution, we find the following: "the right of
the PEOPLE to peaceably assemble," the "right of
the PEOPLE to be secure in their homes,"
"enumeration here of certain rights shall not be
construed to disparage others retained by the
PEOPLE," and "the powers not delegated herein are
reserved to the states respectively, and to the
PEOPLE." Do you honestly believe "the right of
the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms" refers to the
States but excludes Individuals?

30) Handguns are the cheapest, lightest, most portable,
easiest-to-use, and most effective means of self-defense.
This is why they are used by police officers. Denying
people the right to use this tool leaves them
defenseless against criminals on the street. Why do you
advocate that law-abiding people not be allowed to
protect themselves with the best means of self-defense available?

31) The Federal government and the United Nations (See: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19991207_xex_n_coming_yo.shtml) have been working in unison for years to systematically disarm American citizens. Is it even remotely possible that the government has something planned that so many Americans would be against that it is critical that they disarm us? If so, do you see that supporting their disarmament plans could be working against the American citizens committed to preserving freedom?
 
It does not work!:eek::cool:


Ok, Try it this way!

If you disarmed all of the police, you would save more lives then if you disarmed all of the citizens.........




Think about that real hard! The Bangers would have them anyways!
 
Criminals don't care if something is illegal. Unless you want to give everyone a personal Police Officer for protection and 24 hour presence, you shan't take my guns!
 
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