Mossy Police Model Too Long?

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I won't cover all the details, but I found myself in a home defense mode recently, and went for my Mossberg 500. The incident never materialized into a confrontation (no pointing, no shots, etc.), but in the process of partially implementing my HD plan in the dark, I realized that my shotgun's overall length made things cumbersome in this situation. Even though it was built as a factory police model with a 20-inch barrel, I decided that I wanted a more "condensed" (and legal) option. A few parts from MidwayUSA & Brownell's & it has a whole new look...I like it better this way for quick response, and it's nice to be able to put it all back to original wood if desired...

(Oh, that little tac light won't stay on there...separate story behind that...)

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Have you fired it yet with the PGO grip?
Mine came that way from the factory a few millennium ago, and after a few shots, I ordered the full length stock for it. Make sure you're comfortable shooting it like that. Some folks are, most aren't.
 
You just need to know your states length limit as far as overall length. The shortest by fed standards is 26 inches. Then it becomes a Any other weapon.
 
It's legal (20" barrel, 31" total), and I like it just fine after firing...
 
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I also feel my shotgun is too cumbersome, but it is what it is and that is why smaller firearms exist. Size is the reason I usually grab the .45 first, but the power of the shotgun is always desired.

Why is the light going away?
 
Why is the light going away?
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The light was a sample sent to me because we sell them in our business. I had the clamp already, so I popped it on there. If I ever have to use this gun in a home defense situation, I don't plan to use a light on my weapon. I know my house, the BG doesn't, so no sense illuminating myself and equalizing the playing field...that's my thinking on it...;)
 
I don't want to beat a tired old drum, but I'm with my friend, 1-oz, in this one: Unless you've done a lot of successful training with a PGO (Pistol Grip Only) stock, you best may be the shortest length legally possible with a full length stock. In many cases this results in a gun that some think is still too long. If you live in a jurisdiction where a shorter barrel is permitted with the completion of some paperwork, then a 16" police barrel is an option. If in another jurisdiction, like mine, you might want to rethink your options. I love my shotguns; but, if something goes bump in the night, around here I go for a handgun.
 
Ee gad...the negativity is dragging me down. Hey, don't worry fellas...putting it back to a more traditional wood stock look takes mere minutes. I have two barrels, two mag tubes, and two different stocks for this one shotgun. The change-outs are simple & fast. Would y'all feel better if I put it back in wood & snapped another photo? ...& why would someone assume I've had no training?
 
I agree, I have met people that have no training with pistol grip shotguns and they certainly didn't need to have training to use it.

I have noticed more and more people are more worried about training than the fact that you are making an effort to optimize the use of YOUR gun in YOUR house... Not trying to be hostile...
 
I have noticed more and more people are more worried about training than the fact that you are making an effort to optimize the use of YOUR gun in YOUR house...
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Amen...I'm pleased with it...It performs well...It's legal...My choice...Right?

I forgot to mention...The finish was pretty thin on this older shotgun, and the receiver had some deep scratches in the factory powder coat. I used a process I have been successful with, mixing the flat and satin black colors of KG Gun Kote. This is a baked on finish...Thank goodness my gas BBQ is big enough for a 20" barrel. I hope it's OK that I did this myself...I really have no training in metal refinishing...:cool:
 
KMO & BlackFeather

I try to stay away from commenting on PGO shotgun threads. I have spent too much of my time writing on the subject.

I agree, I have met people that have no training with pistol grip shotguns and they certainly didn't need to have training to use it.
I have noticed more and more people are more worried about training than the fact that you are making an effort to optimize the use of YOUR gun in YOUR house.
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However I will comment on training. Training of any kind proves or disproves that YOUR self-conceived reality will work in the real world. It is very difficult to train yourself, there is no challenge to what you think you know, if all you do is reinforce those things that you believe will work. The simple fact that you have chosen a PGO but stock on a Mossberg shotgun tells me that you either have spent lots of time perfecting hand placement and grip to deal with the safety problem using a pgo , or you have given no thought to it at all. Many of the folks who write in this forum “get the message” on fighting scatterguns. Training and wear marks are the badges of success with this weapon. Don't overestimate your abilities at 2 AM, startled awake, and armed with cockiness instead of confidence.
Good Luck & Be Safe
 
I certainly would not diminish the value of training, but I have to repeat...Why would someone assume I've had no training? There is nothing I've stated in my posts here that would indicate that I lack training in the use of firearms. I did admit, however, that I lack formal training in metal finishing, therefore we can deduce that the finish on the shotgun shown was poorly applied, right?
 
KMO

You seemed to agree with BlackFeather, did I get that wrong? I don't really care if you run a pgo or not, as I stated I am done with that discussion. I am addressing the comments that you and Black Feather fostered concerning the value of training.
 
Good grief Bob...There is nothing I've stated in my posts here that would indicate that I lack training in the use of firearms, nor that I diminish the value of training in any way. I think we're beating a straw man here. This thread was really just to show off the new duds on my shotgun. I think I regret starting this one...:(
 
What is the effective range of a pistol grip shotgun with 00 buck ?
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It is exactly the same effective range as a gun with traditional stock.

The problem arises when you need to hit the thing you are firing at.

I have managed to hit squirrels and rabbits at 30 yards with PGO and I have seen some terribly easy shots totally miss the target... some shots were tried by me I admit:o I had to take my gun from a fella that was trying to kill a coon in a Hav-A-Hart trap... I told him all he was doing was scaring the bugger to death... That was from about 15-20 feet at most.:rolleyes::D
Brent
 
have you patterned it? @ what ranges? what loads? shot at targets with it yet?


the training you have matters a lot, actually. how the gun is set up matters less than how well you understand and use it. its just a tool, like anything else. properly used it'll get the job done, misused and its a waste of money and space.


i dont make any recommendations to anyone anymore, i know what works for me, not for them. but i will tell you one thing - it took a lot of pulling that trigger, in a LOT of different ways, for me to find that out. heres what ive gathered after many years and many, many shells of many different types -

i think a pistol grip only shotgun is OK in an hd role but you need a whole bunch of trigger time to be effective. i wouldnt even consider slugs out of one. and i dont live with small children or in a house where the buckshot would be headed in the direction that family member sleeps, behind sheetrock or not. id look at the use of #4 and #1 buck staggered out of a pgo shotgun. i also use a standard of 15 yds as far as hd pattern practice goes - any more and its hard to claim self defense. if it does good at 15 with no fliers its a keeper.


the mossberg matte finish wears easily but still is more weather resistant than your standard 870 express, thats for sure. its decent.
 
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Whatever reason behind losing the light, it's well made. I'm pretty sure I had that same clamp, and I can say that any plastic tactical light holder won't do any good after a mere 3-4 shots.

Mine blew right off at the range.
 
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