More Phone Record Shenanigans, or, Why Should the NSA Have All the Fun?

Ironically some of the folks from the data brokers who are going to testify before Congress are taking the Fifth, but dont mind violating our rights.
 
rick_reno said:
Don't like it - don't use the phone.
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This is precisely the attitude that allows for government intrusion into the private lives of everybody in America.

It won't be too long now, before the Courts decide we have no rational nor reasonable expectation of privacy when making a phone call. After all, the War on Terror demands that we all make some sacrifices.

We used to have a reasonable expectation of privacy, when we were just walking around in public. Not anymore. So say the Courts.

We used to have a right to travel under any private means available. Only actual commercial vehicles and commercial drivers needed licensing and registration.

The list of things we used to be able to do, grows each year, as we citizens lose the ability to function without the everpresent government at our elbow. Of course, it's all for our own good, yes?

Don't like it? Don't use it. What do you have to worry about, if you are not doing anything unlawful? Any reasonable man can answer his door in 3 to 5 seconds. And so it goes.
 
Don't like it - don't use the phone.
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Nice attitude. Your remark speaks volumes on how you view civil rights. If you have that attitude, please move, I will purchase the airline ticket.;)
 
It won't be too long now, before the Courts decide we have no rational nor reasonable expectation of privacy when making a phone call. After all, the War on Terror demands that we all make some sacrifices.
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If Thomas Jefferson were alive today and in the Senate or Congress I guess they would be calling him a liberal traitor because of his stance on individual rights and not sacrificing them at any cost. Ann Coulter would be telling us that Benjamin Franklin is a godless liberal because he doesnt support the administration on individual rights.
 
Do you really think phone tapping is a NEW thing?? How many of you are riding around with On-star in your cars?:D You can go to Radio Shack and buy the crap to tap a phone line:rolleyes: I'm with rick_reno, If I've got something to say that I don't want the world to know I sure as he!! am not going to say it on a telephone, online, or in my truck (which is equipped with on-star):D
 
And above all, contender, don't say anything in your own house (it has windows, right?) that you don't want anyone else to hear....

At that same radio shack, you can buy the needed equipment to laser glass and translate the reflected signal into audio....
 
All I am mainly saying is that the technology and know how to monitor phone lines and the such has been around for many many years and it is well known to have been used by government agencys legaly and illegally. So why the worry all of the sudden? Is it because the NSA just came out of the closet and openly said they are using surveilance of this type? Would it really make you feel better about the deal if the government announced tommorrow that they would no longer use phone monitoring?
 
If you don't support the forfeture of your fourth ammendment rights, you don't support the troops. :barf:

I'ts funny how "inaliable" has turned into "revocable if"

WWRND What Would Richard Nixon Do?
 
I don't buy it, contender.

I don't buy the attitude that it's simply OK for the government to continually encroach upon my rights. I don't buy the attitude that if I'm not doing anything criminal, why should I worry. I don't buy the attitude that my personal data, once given to a company becomes their property.

I guess what I don't "buy into," is the prevalent culture of apathy that is so entrenched into American thought nowadays.

My chosen screen name is my theme: Against the ethos of apathy.
 
Don't like it, don't use the phone
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I should have added - Isn't the current party line something like "We can't be free if we're not safe" or some such crap. I've heard our leadership spew a statement similar to this more than once.

Wild - no thanks on the ticket. I don't fly since they put the TSA clowns in place. I find driving gets me where I'm going, and generally I don't have produce identification and submit myself to meaningless searches. If I can't drive there - I ain't goin.
 
antipitas said:
I don't buy the attitude that it's simply OK for the government to continually encroach upon my rights. I don't buy the attitude that if I'm not doing anything criminal, why should I worry. I don't buy the attitude that my personal data, once given to a company becomes their property.

I guess what I don't "buy into," is the prevalent culture of apathy that is so entrenched into American thought nowadays.

My chosen screen name is my theme: Against the ethos of apathy.
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You didn't read my last post. I'm not trying to sell you anything! I also never said it was "OK". I clearly asked a question.---- Why all of the sudden is it a big deal? It has been done by government agencys for years. I also asked another question in a previous post--- Would it make you feel better if they announced that they would no longer monitor phone conversations? Do you really think that would stop them?
 
contender6030, the "big deal" now being made out of this is a little different than the questions that you asked. You are correct - wiretaps are not a new thing. I'd also add that the legal process for securing the use of a wiretap, i.e. a warrant, also is not a new thing.

What is new - and disturbing - is the acquisition and examination of telephone records (which is not quite the same thing as a wiretap) by law enforcement agencies of various types and levels that obtained them without using the established legal tools for acquiring them: subpoenas and warrants. That is where the new transgression on personal civil liberties lies and why people are rightfully upset about the issue.
 
"Ironically some of the folks from the data brokers who are going to testify before Congress are taking the Fifth, but dont mind violating our rights"


saw it on cspan..every single owner of the big companies of the data brokers when confronted with the evidence...all took the fifth..nice of them to sell private data for a profit.throughout the investigation, the end result was..duh..."we have nothing private".one of the brokers almost spilled the beans at the inquiry but was warned midway through his statement and then chose his fifth.it was all laughable to watch..idiots.


then along comes the series of thefts of other info, from the va and other places..I dont think a 55 gallon drum of lysol could cover up the stink it has created.

yes..it IS a big deal.lying and deceit to get information that is otherwise private..for profit even....used to be a crime in this country.if the brokers are doing this then what other private information are they giving out to non-LEO organizations needs to be addressed as well.id theft anyone?
 
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