More musings on the revolver vs.auto theme...(sort of long)

artech

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I feel I should first mention that I have always been an auto kind of guy, the more auto the better. I worked at Bushmaster Firearms for ten years before going back to school and have owned or at least shot just about everything there is at one time or another.

I have always enjoyed shooting semi auto pistols, and even full-auto ones. The Glock 18 was particularly fun, although I could barely keep it on the paper, let alone in the black. My point is, I like autos.

Recently I have gone completely over to revolvers. Some of my associates are concerned that perhaps my clutch is slipping. I don't think this is the case at all.

What I do think is that I've been sold a bill of goods with reguards to auto pistols. I've been led to believe that capacity is an important consideration when in fact it is a proven fact that if a conflict is three on one, the one will always lose. Every time. Ask any infantry officer. At two on one you have a reasonable chance of getting out alive.

Surviving any multiple assailant attack absolutely requires dynamic moving tactics that break up their attack, in effect reducing the odds against you at any given time. So in all actuality, firepower doesn't enter into this at all, as if you are going to survive each assailant must be dealt with individually.

Furthermore, I do have to kind of shake my head at all the people putting hundreds and even thousands of dollars into auto pistols to enable them the shoot as well as a two hundred dollar used S&W model 14. It amazes me sometimes that fads drive the economy so well. Not that I'm complaining, lots of folks are making a real good living off these fads.

Then there's caliber and cartridges, and although you could go on forever arguing this one or that one, the fact is that size-wise, revolvers have always had the upper hand with reguards to power. This is more true now than ever what with the J-frame .357 magnums.

While I don't mean to slam anyone who likes autos, I do think that revolvers are getting sold short as history repeats itself. Before the reasonably peaceful Edo period in feudal Japan, the spear was the weapon of choice, as anyone facing a well trained spearman was toast before they got within sword range.

Then came the peace, and most spears got put away, forgotten. They were considered ancient, awkward and bulky, and just not cool anymore. The sword, easily carried and used, came into full vogue despite the fact that a well trained spearman could still come out on top of any dispute between the two.

Finally the age of the spear passed by. It didn't mean it was a bad weapon, just that the sword was more popular. I see the same sort of thing happening now with reguards to revolvers. They just don't seem to be cool anymore, despite the fact that they are still generally more accurate and more powerful than most autos.

Again, I'm not trying to start any flame wars here, I just think people should give the revolver another look. It's far from the creaky old relic that popular rhetoric would seem to make it out to be.

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The M-16 is a damn fine weapon, but your best, your most lethal and effective weapon is between your ears. Ssgt Brown, Parris Island, 3rd Bn, H co. 1984.
 
You're correct, the revolver is far from a creaky old relic. It's experiencing a sort of renaissance, at least in the competitive shooting sports, hence my last revolver, a FrankenSmith:

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artech,

It's funny, to me, how your journey sounds so much like the one I took a decade, or so, ago. I had always been a 1911/Hi Power kind of gun person.

Then the Revovler bug bit me, and I went thru the same thing you are, complete with the same type of rationalizations. I bought Colts, S&Ws, Rugers, and Taurus revolvers in .22, .32, .38, .357, and .44.

Then after about 6 years of that, I came to my senses. I relaized that it wasn't always, or didn't have to be, about capacity vs. power. I knew pistols had enough power for my intended uses for a handun, and I realized that I just *liked* semi-auto pistols better than revolvers.

For me, the pistol is easier to maintain, carry, and shoot well, than any revolver I've ever owned. The fact that I can have that *plus* more capacity in the same overall size, with less weight, makes me very happy! :D

I still have a couple of revolvers, both in .357, and imagine I always will. They are fun guns, but the pistols I own are just that much more fun, so I own lots of them.

Make mine a pistol and...

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Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!
 
I absolutely love revolvers. However, I tend to carry my auto's for self defense purposes because I am faster with them, and use my revolvers in the field or when just plinking around. I also shoot my revolvers more at the range. They just feel good in the hand.
 
I have gone from revolvers to autos and now back to revolvers. I find revolvers to come on line faster for the first shot and they generally work better for "instinctive" shooting. They are more utilitarian as they can be used by any family member with minimal training. I think this is of monumental importance. I think many people forget how difficult it is for others to wrap their hands comfortably around double stack autos. Furthermore, my wife could barely rack the slide of a stock 1911 with the hammer cocked and she really isn't a sissy girl. Revolvers are also cheaper because you don't have to buy a bunch of expensive mags.

BTW, I have heard so many credible stories about the successful use of revolvers in combat (ie: Vietnam) that I do not buy the line about autos being more durable. Sure, when you submurge one in mud it probably want work, but then I doubt the 1911, glock, or sig will either - at least not until you swab the barrel.
 
As big as that picture is, I was expecting it to be animated or something.
 
I really like handguns; some are wheels, and some are autos.

But I like them all. And carry both. Know what I mean?

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"All my ammo is factory ammo"
 
Double action revolver will fire, and fire again each time the trigger is actuated. It is not affected by muzzle contact, spacial orientation, grip etc. That can not be said of most autoloaders. The revolver will function impeccably with any ammunition of the proper calibre, if a round fails to fire, just pull the trigger again.

Hence my leaning toward the general concept of the autoloader being better at sport and offence; and the revolver being more dependable for defence.

Sam...my favorite 9mm is the 9X32R
 
I think that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I think that our tastes change. These are not bad traits. It would be a dull world if we all like white houses and red cars and Blonde's with 44 magnums. Variety is the spice of life. If you feel that revolvers suit your tastes better now then go with it. I wouldn't abandon auto's all together, but I would enjoy all facets of the Hobby of owning, shooting and enjoying handguns. Hey life is too short. Get as much out of the hobby as it has to offer. I personally am a revolver man myself. I have a deep affection for them. But I like my auto's too. Not the same way as my revolver but none the less I like them for what they are too. I don't shoot them as well as my wheelguns but I keep plugging away. Who knows maybe with time I'll get better with the pistolas and will become a bigger affectionado of these great guns. As for Mutiple BG's I goota agree that if your up agains very superior odds your chance dimish greatly of getting out with your hyde. But whether Auto or Wheel gun Placement is formost in the equation. If you can hit center mass the first time that's one less ta worry about. Also the fact that you have to keep a cool head. As some one of the Old West(or maybe New West)Cowboys said. It ain't who shoots fastest but who shoots straightest that matters. In my day when I carried a gun for a living and auto's were not as accepted as they are today, we learned that accuracy was the key to
survival. And I was always trained that if I couldn't do it with six shots that I wasn't gonna get it done. Period. I've been in several shootouts, and frankly I think it was my training more that the caliber of, or the capacity of my gun that saved my butt. Course that's my opinion, but I feel that it's true. Anyway that's my views on the subject. I enjoy posting to this forum. It's always stimulating. Enough said!

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***Torpedo***
It's a good life if you can survive it!
 
Like many of the people on this group, I have always been an auto guy. But this past weekend I traded in a Kimber compact for TWO new revolvers, and I couldn't be happier. I traded in the Kimber because after spending money on a gunsmith, it still was not reliable and I was not going to spend any more money to make it work. As I said, I traded it for two revolvers, both Taurus, one a 8 shot 357 608 and the other a small 38 sp. 85UL. Ether one shoots better then the Kimber, they have better triggers and are more accurate. I knew I had made a good choose when shooting next to some guy with a custom 1911 and I was able to shoot tighter rapid-fire groups with my little 2 inch 38 then he could with his custom 1911. He has five to six times as much into his pistol then I did into my revolvers. And the full size 357 made shooting 1-2 inch groups at 15-yard boring. I think I am hooked :)
 
Hey, if you're comfortable with a revolver, carry it! I'm more partial to an autoloader, but I've been known to carry a little Ruger Vaquero when the mood struck me. Hardly the last word in personal defense! Contrary to what we would say in polite company, I think that most of the regular visitors to this site think of their personal firearms as more than just "tools." Carry what you feel meets the level of protection you require and don't apologize to anyone! Good luck.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thumper:
I'm more partial to an autoloader, but I've been known to carry a little Ruger Vaquero when the mood struck me. [/quote]

a little Ruger Vaquero?!? no flame or offense intended but you must be a really big guy
 
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