MORE FLA BALLOTS DISQUALIFIED; 26,000 FROM REPUBLICAN COUNTY 'DOUBLE PUNCHED'...

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More Fla. Ballots Said Disqualified
By Ron Word
Associated Press Writer
Saturday, Nov. 11, 2000; 1:06 p.m. EST

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. –– About 26,000 ballots with more than one presidential candidate or no candidate marked were disqualified in Duval County and never counted, election officials said Saturday.

Duval County is as solidly Republican as Palm Beach County is Democratic. Texas Gov. George W. Bush carried Duval County by more than 44,000 votes. Officials said there was no way to know how the nullified ballots affected the race between Bush and Vice President Al Gore.

In Tuesday's vote, 21,942 ballots were nullified when voters punched their ballots for two candidates for president. An additional 4,967 did not vote for president or did not punch the ballot hard enough for their vote to be registered, said Susan Tucker Johnson, a spokeswoman for Duval County Supervisor of Elections John Stafford.

The disqualified ballots represent about 9 percent of the 291,626 cast Tuesday.

The ballot Duval County used was of a different design than the disputed "butterfly" ballot used in Palm Beach County. In Duval County, 10 presidential candidates and one write-in candidate were listed on two pages. At the bottom of the first page, in larger, bolder type, voters were instructed to turn the page for more choices in the presidential race.

Voters, Johnson said, probably picked one candidate on the first page and then voted for another presidential candidate on the second page.

Mike Langton, chairman of the northeast Florida Gore campaign, reacted angrily to news of the 26,000 nullified votes. He said he had learned of them too late to ask for a manual recount, which under Florida law must be requested within 72 hours of the election.

He said Stafford had told him only 200 to 300 votes were nullified. Johnson said Langton had misunderstood what Stafford had said.

"I sure as hell would have requested a manual recount if I had known 27,000 votes were nullified," Langton said. "We were harmed because we didn't find out in time to ask for a recount."

"He (Stafford) was either incompetent or he was purposely misleading," Langton said.

"I don't know what is going on, but it rises to the level of hanky-panky," Langton said.

Langton said he had notified the state and national Gore campaigns of the situation.

Mike Hightower, who represents the Bush campaign in northeast Florida, said earlier the problems were voter error and not mistakes on the part of election officials.

He did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment.

© Copyright 2000 The Associated Press



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I find this fascinating, and I'm very interested in other TFLer opinions.

The Gore campaign is outraged? Let's think about this.

Now, perhaps Democrats encompass a higher percentage of vote-challenged citizens. But, consider the logic of hand-counting votes in a mainly Republican county. Seems to me, you'll end up with even more Republican votes.

In any election, in any county, based upon current technology, you'll have a certain error percentage. And, to the extent those errors lead to disqualified votes, those disqualified votes will probably bear a relationship to the majority party in the county.

So, if you do a manual recount of votes in a heavily Republican county, it seems quite logical to me that you'll find more Republican votes than you will Democratic votes. Follow? Anyone disagree?

I'm left scratching my head here. Seems to me, if this deadline has passed, it may well be the loss of the Republicans, not the Democrats. Are those crocodile tears being shed by Mr. Langton?

Regards from AZ
 
He was just staying "on message." No matter what, the Dem's message is that they are outraged by dirty tricks that cost them their rightful votes. It doesn't make sense in this case? So what--it doesn't make sense in the others either.
 
Jeff,

I agree with your assessment. It is probably too late to get any more votes for Bush out of this situation, but this should throw cold water on the Palm Beacher's request for a revote! Let's see if Jesse Jackson is going to be worried about the disenfranchised Republicans in Duval County! :)


Update: From what I now understand, the counties have 72 hours to ask for a recount starting from the time they have their votes certified. Duval county should have enough time to get a recount if they want one.


Joe

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I believe the Republicans are waiting for the mail in ballots. There are something like 30k or more that have not been reported yet. From that, they should have 60%-70%. This looks better than following the cheezie democrats approach of hand counting select districts, which should be all districts or none.
 
Hey, I live in Jacksonville - I feel like I was robbed of my chance to vote! I feel disenfranchised! I want a revote - but only for the top half of Florida. Oh yeah, I want a manual recount for Jax votes too!

I felt confused by the fact that when I voted, I had no clue that Gore actually stood a chance of winning - so I fully expect Jesse Jackson to come up here to Jax and defend my rights!

Spark, full of righteous indignation. :D

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The Democrats won't need a 're-vote' ... the fix truly is in, and they'll steal this election simply by forcing manual recounts in only heavily Democratic counties.

And, the absentee ballots probably can't overcome that statistical fraud.

The Republicans better be clever and quick, because they are up against clever, disgusting scumbags who will stop at almost nothing.

Regards from AZ
 
I heard from another board, that a often used method of tampering with this type of vote is to take a crochet needle and punch out your canidate's name in a stack of these ballots. This way Bush's votes will be thrown out and it won't affect Gore at all. It all over for the GOP and for the constitution.
 
Aside from the fact that this article makes no sense (as Jeff Thomas noted), consider the following:

Since the 72 hour deadline for a manual recount has passed, I say the Bush campaign should take a friendly stroll over to Duval county and ask those nice folks if they would like to *volunteer* to recount their votes by hand. Since they were so heavily for Bush, they might just agree to do it...

Ken

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