More fallout from Hurrican Elian - Police Chief quits

Jack 99

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Gotta kind of admire the guy, regardless of my thoughts on the Elian debacle. He refuses to be a political pawn and instead stands on priniciple. Not too common these days:


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Miami Police Chief Resigns in Elian's Wake
April 28, 2000 2:15 pm EST

By Lisa Baertlein

MIAMI (Reuters) - Miami's police chief resigned on Friday amid continued anger and
political fallout over the U.S. government's raid last weekend to seize Cuban castaway
Elian Gonzalez from the Little Havana home of his relatives.

Police Chief William O'Brien's announcement came hours after Miami Mayor Joe
Carollo fired his city manager, Donald Warshaw, who had supported O'Brien over
Carollo's objections in the Elian case.

"I refuse to be the chief of police in a city that has someone as divisive and
destructive as Joe Carollo as mayor," O'Brien said, announcing his retirement before
a crowd of emotional police and city employees at Miami police headquarters.

Cuban-born Carollo has angrily attacked the police chief for not informing him of last
Saturday's predawn raid before it happened, and there have been accusations from
Cubans in the community that the police were too heavy-handed with demonstrators
afterward.

Carollo, who is Cuban-born and a staunch supporter of efforts by the Miami relatives
to keep 6-year-old Elian in the United States rather than send him back to communist
Cuba, had called for O'Brien to be fired. But only the city manager can fire the police
chief and Warshaw was not inclined to do so.

O'Brien, who has served 25 years in the police department, said he was resigning
partly because Cuban exile outrage over Elian needed a focal point.

"I know there's incredible anger and frustration in the exile community and I want to
tell you if you're looking for a focal point for that frustration, here it is. I gave the
orders," O'Brien said.

CAROLLO DENIES ELIAN LINK

Elian has been the focus of a fierce custody battle since he was brought to Miami last
November after surviving a disastrous migrant voyage in which his mother and 10
others died fleeing Cuba.

The Miami relatives who brought him in and many of Miami's fiercely anti-communist
Cuban exiles argued he should not go back to Cuba, but Elian's father, who came to
the United States to retrieve him, wanted him back.

Carollo was also angry because an officer under O'Brien worked with federal agents
on the predawn raid, which led to Elian being reunited with his father in the
Washington area pending the outcome of an asylum hearing scheduled in May.

On Thursday evening, Carollo said his decision to fire Warshaw was in the city's best
interest and that it was not related to the raid. But many people were skeptical.

"I think the mayor still hasn't gotten over the fact that I didn't give him a call on that. I
was bound by law, but even if there hadn't been a law there's no way I would have let
him know about it," said O'Brien, flanked by Warshaw and senior police employees,
who applauded numerous times during the announcement.

He said supporters have told him they could bring out thousands of people to help him
keep his job.

But O'Brien said, "I refuse to be the lightning rod of divisiveness in this community....
The community has to begin to heal. The community has to put this behind them. The
community has to move forward. I petition the community to do just that."

CONTINUED UPHEAVAL

Warshaw's firing and O'Brien's resignation were just the latest upheavals in Miami's
chaotic political landscape.

The city has been dubbed a "banana republic" by critics fed up with corruption in
public office and a perception that some officials are more loyal to their Cuban
backers and the exiles' fierce opposition to the island's communist President Fidel
Castro than to Miami residents' greater well-being.

Carollo was given his post in March 1998 after a judge, citing rife voter fraud,
overturned the city's 1997 mayoral election and removed Xavier Suarez from office.
Humberto Hernandez, an up-and-coming city commissioner, is now doing time in jail
for his role in the voter-fraud scheme.

Miami, led by Warshaw and other staffers, has only recently begun to see the fruits of
efforts to bring order to its finances. In 1996 the city revealed it had a $68 million
deficit in the city's $275 million budget, prompting former Florida Gov. Lawton Chiles
to appoint a state-run oversight board.

The city's bonds are rated just above junk status and New York debt analysts
frequently urge the city commission to maintain political and economic stability in the
city.
 
I'm new to south Florida and I don't actual live in Miami but the way that I understand it is that the Chief of Police is appointed and can, consequently, be removed by members of the city council. The police chief, was working the INS in having the boy removed but he failed to notifiy the mayor who "request" to be kept in the loop on all developments regarding this matter. When the mayor found out that the chief did not obey orders (the mayor is his boss), he requested that the city manager fire the police chief. For some reason, the mayor couldn't fire the police chief directly -- only the city manager could do that. The city manager refused to fire the police chief and as a result the mayor fired the city manager and had plans to replace him with someone who WOULD fire the police chief. Under these conditions, the police chief knew that he was going sooner or later and decided to quite and not be embarassed instead of being fired later.

Whether you believe in the firing, or not, the chain of command needs to be followed (unless the order given is unlawful, immoral, unconstitutional, etc.; and in this case it wasn't any of those things -- the mayor merely wanted to be kept informed of all developments before any action would be taken).
 
Help me here ... what was wrong with the Chief informing the Mayor, and how could it have been against the law for him to do so? If I was the Mayor, I'd be pretty ticked off as well. Does the Chief think he's a federal law enforcement officer?

And, if many Chief's feel this way, consider the implications on the RKBA. 'Well, we didn't want to confiscate those guns / arrest those gun owners / shoot those RKBA activists, but we had our orders from the BATF ... yada yada yada'.
 
I have to chime in with Jeff. I don't get how the Chief is standing on principle, unless it's the principle to support the heavy-handed tactics of our dear federal government.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
Obviously the hack politician mayor--who was pandering for the Cuban vote, couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut. The police chief did it exactly right. I have known too many people who took the oath but would blab in a heartbeat if it was to their advantage. I spent a month in Miami in 1980 processing Marielito Cuban criminals, just before Liberty City blew. What a hole.

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The word I got is that the chief is not allowed to tell anyone not going along about the raid . All these people want to be so Cuban . So swim back and be Cuban . They obviously don't want to be American .

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TOM SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
Well, Robert, I suppose that is a good portion of my point. Whose side was the police chief on - Miami's or Washington's? Aside from whether the raid was proper or not, if we want to discuss chain of command, I'm a little leery of a system where their chain runs from the local LEO directly up to Janet Reno. IMHO.
 
So Robert, if he (the mayor) had known about the raid and "blew the whistle" because of its violation of all that we hold dear he would have been alright? But if he had done it because he wanted to pander to the Cuban population even if the raid had been contrary to Constitutional law he is not alright and is a "hack"?

I'm confused. If he took an oath to "defend and uphold the Constitution" he would have been right to blow the whistle on this raid no matter what his motivation (hopefully the right one), he's a "hack"?

From the article it would appear that the chief is the one that is in violation of his oath.

Please, set me straight if I'm reading this wrong or just lack some vital information.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
Hizzoner the mayor had already been grandstanding and making it plain that he was part of the problem, not part of the solution. Instead of a voice of reason he was just another demagogue. A few more people like him and the situation would have been a hell of a lot worse. The judge that issued the warrant and any subsequent court actions and appeals should sort out 'constitutionality' issues. For all I know the mayor may be re-elected by a landslide next time; hell, maybe he's presidential timber for all I know. Make him President of Cuba when Fidel dies. I'm just damn glad I'm not a 'public servant' anymore. Let someone else draft, pass, and try to enforce the law and put up with the BS. The truth is that people in this country don't give a damn about the laws or their fairness--they just want to make up their own as they go along. Fine.

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It seems to me that the DOJ are the ones who didn't follow the laws and just made things up as they went along. The Cuban family was working with lawyers through the court system the way it should be done when the DOJ decided to flex their muscle -- ignoring all fairness.
 
Robert, I've never walked in your shoes, so I can't feel the same discouragement you do. But, many of us are discouraged by many developments in our country, and I agree that most people don't give a damn about our laws anymore. And, it is clear that many want to make them up as they go along. Take Bill Clinton and Janey Reno, for example.

I still have a problem with the Police Chief of a city, anywhere in the U.S., feeling as though the mayor is his enemy, and the U.S. President and U.S. Attorney General are more appropriately his superiors. I've heard a lot in AZ lately about 'local control', and I thought we used to have a concept called 'states rights'. I suppose, from my perspective, this is another example of how little remains of either of those concepts.

I still maintain that this kind of attitude, on the Chief's part, could have major RKBA implications.

Regards from AZ
 
I remember when Mayor Carollo defiantly announced that the Miami P.D. would do nothing to assist in the raid (okay...), nor the crowd control (umm... are we sure about this?), and that any rioting that followed would be on the Fed's heads, and that the City would not be held in any way responsible for the people's safety (WTF?!?!?! *#$@!!). I thought to myself, "Man, I'd HATE to be the chief of police when your mayor is basically sanctioning a riot by half the population as a form of government protest."

The mayor is so caught up in Cuba and Cubans and his cause, that he has forgotten about the city as a whole.

I admired O'Brien's resignation. Even if he's a scoundral in every other aspect of his life, I admired that one action.

Likewise am I disaffected with the overall manner of Corollo throughout this debacle, though I know NOTHING else about him.
 
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