More Bad News In California !

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Has anyone seen the latest from California's DOJ? Makes me sick. From CalNRA.org

AR-15/AK-47 clones called "Series" Assault Weapons
by California Dept of Justice

Roberti-Roos list of banned firearms
expected to be expanded Monday July 17

By Jay J. Hector
Reporting for CalNRA.org
15 July, 2000

Simi Valley, Ca. - All AR-15 and AK-47 "Series" variants must be
registered as Assault Weapons by December 31, 2000, under the
provisions of the Roberti-Roos law, and not under the provisions of SB-23,
said California Department of Justice Firearms Division representatives
at a meeting in Simi Valley on Thursday evening, July 13.

The regular monthly meeting of the Ventura County East NRA Members'
Council, with guest speakers from the Department of Justice Firearms
Division, was heavily attended. A June 29 California Supreme Court
ruling overturned an appellate court decision that declared the add-on
provision to the original list of firearms under the Roberti-Roos law
as unconstitutional.

The Department of Justice Firearms Division has declared the "Series"
firearms, AR-type and AK-type, listed in the Roberti-Roos law to
include all variants. The Department of Justice Firearms Division
will release a list of approximately 120 AR and AK variants on Monday,
July 17, 2000. Removal of the "Series" firearms from SB-23 negates
much of the impact of that law on firearms' owners. "A list of what
is or is not an Assault Weapon under SB-23 will not be compiled by the
Firearms Division," said Randy Rossi, Director of the California
Department of Justice Firearms Division. "Because we can't see what
characteristics you may have on your weapon, and because the law
allows you to take on and take off those characteristics, we won't be
able to provide you with a listing of those weapons. We can't tell if
you put on a conspicuously-protruding pistol-grip or whether it's a
banana. We just can't tell that from over the telephone."

Rossi, Assistant Director Dale Ferranto and Deputy Attorney General
Tim Rieger of the legal staff, gave a presentation on the effects of
the Supreme Court decision, followed by a question and answer period
on their presentation and other related questions on Roberti-Roos,
SB-23 and SB-15. Rossi emphasized that the Firearms Division is
available to answer questions regarding implementation of the various
laws by the Firearms Division, but since they do not make the laws
they cannot answer questions regarding the formulation of firearms
law, which is the domain of the California Legislature.

The "Series" AR and AK variants are not eligible to be registered
under SB-23. A special Roberti-Roos registration period coinciding
with the registration period for SB-23 firearms will begin on July 29,
2000, thirty days after the Supreme Court decision. The Roberti-Roos
named firearms, whose registration period ended in March 1992, are
not eligible for registration under SB-23 or under this special
registration period for the "Series" firearms.

For example, a Colt AR-15 Sporter II had to be registered by March
1992 and cannot now be registered under either law, while a "Series"
Colt Match HBAR rifle is eligible for the special registration period.
"Series" rifles include Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS and Olympic Arms.
The AK variants, such as a MAK-90, are affected in the same manner.

Assault Weapon characteristics such as flash-hiders and pistol-grips
were not a factor in the Roberti-Roos law, and the removal of
characteristics will not excuse a "Series" firearm from registration.
A stripped-lower AR or AK receiver will have to be registered since
lack of characteristics does not matter under Roberti-Roos.

The California Department of Justice Firearms Division is following
the same constitutional interpretation as the Federal government
regarding the Second Amendment. A United States Attorney at the
Emerson appellate court hearing in Louisiana, stated the official
position of the United States Government is that the Second Amendment
of the United States Constitution only applies to militias, and not to
the people of the United States as individuals.

California Firearms Division attorney Rieger commented on the path to
the Department of Justice's legal interpretations, "Since 1937 (sic),
the Second Amendment, as you all know, in the United States Supreme
Court case Miller, it's been interpreted to say, let's be fair, that
the right to keep and bear arms, is not personal, but instead lies
with the militias of the states. The bottom line is, Miller says
that, and all cases except Emerson in the Texas District Court, have
basically followed suit."

This story may be distributed freely providing credit is given the author and www.calnra.org


Looks like we have another SKS Sporter debacle in the making, don't it!

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Just one of the Good Guys
 
So what in the h*ll are they saying? Just when I thought I understood what this idiots are saying they change it.

Does anybody know if this will be taken to the US Supreme Court? What about an injuction?
 
The communistnazis who have taken over Kalifonria's politics, media, academia, etc., intend to outlaw every gun in Kalif.

Except, of course, the firearms of their heavily armed, very expensive bodyguards. All you serfs and peasants who actually belong to the State, will have to bow down and submit to your Lords & Masters.

It ain't a matter of "if," it's just a matter of "when."

The Locomotives Continue Racing Toward Each Other. J.B
 
It is quite simple. They will say now they only want to register/confiscate certain firearms. Their ultimate goal is to take them ALL. Many anti-gunners will claim they think it is okay to have "hunting rifles" (with registration of course), but believe handguns, "assault rifles" (although most can't even difine that term correctly), etc. should be banned. Even if they honestly believe this, in the future they will decide all firearms should be banned. Just look what has happened in a few other nations (and states!).

Next time one of those idiots claims Canada has a lower crime rate than the U.S. because of strict gun laws, mention the fact that Mexico, Russia, and many other nations have much higher crime rates than the U.S. and even stricter firearm laws than Canada. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay Baker:
The communistnazis who have taken over Kalifonria's politics, media, academia, etc., intend to outlaw every gun in Kalif.

Except, of course, the firearms of their heavily armed, very expensive bodyguards. All you serfs and peasants who actually belong to the State, will have to bow down and submit to your Lords & Masters.

It ain't a matter of "if," it's just a matter of "when."

The Locomotives Continue Racing Toward Each Other. J.B[/quote]
 
& really, was there any doubt (or just wishful thinking)?

Too, how many times have we heard (re either textbooks or other "societal issues") "as goes Kali - so goes the country?"

Hey! They're trend-setters.

Not to flame anyone here - far from it (seriously) - but it does turn my stomach when I here those that want to buy a "PC rifle" - something that's OK now & forever.

Ain't no such beast, friends & neighbors.

Even if we gave it all up so we would only purchase/possess muzzle-loaders (something we could all agree on that was The Framer's original intent [sarcasm on, BTW]), they would then harp on calibers over .54 THEN & OOPS! "you have a "speed loader" for that AND "can't have more than 10 bullets already cast" & then "can't have more than 1/2 ld of lead" soley do to the potential of casting more bullets ....

Where will it end? "Sorry, ya gots more than a pound of Crisco & we all know that's used as a bullet lube .... 5 years!" Pam as a spray-on bullet lube?
 
Does this really come as a surprise?

SKS-sportster, now AR's and AK's.

.50's are being attacked. Check out the Robert Stewart case. (I was there for the decision that his guns were classified as firearms, and by all indicators the judge had already made up his mind, or had already been encouraged to rule against Robert, even before the trial began.)

Our 308's, 30-06's, 30-30's, and 7.65x39's are next.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
Good Guy,

I noticed your post began from an NRA Council Members meeting.

I am a NRA life member and I am curious as to what the NRA has been doing to counter the laws that have been passed there over the past years. Have they been compromising to this stage of the "game"?

What has the role of the NRA-ILA been in all of this? Un-Constitutional laws should not have gone this far.

The same "stuff" is being tried in CO and I would like your input on this.

It seems like the states are trying to regulate the Constitution and the Feds are trying to overide the rights of the individual states.

Everything is becoming "bass ackwards" and the individual is getting the short end of it all.

Individual rights are not up to the federal and states to juggle around as they see fit. Constitutional and BoR's are not in place for compromise.

I would appreciate your inpute on this matter. Thanks

CIB

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"It is quite simple. They will say now they only want to register/confiscate certain firearms. Their ultimate goal is to take them ALL. Many anti-gunners will claim they think it is okay to have "hunting rifles" (with registration of course), but believe handguns, "assault rifles" (although most can't even difine that term correctly), etc. should be banned."

Exactly!
This is what's behind the ATF's persecution of that guy marketing .50 cal. BMG kit rifles & the current hysteria over "sniper's rifles." The anti's are trying to whip up a new frenzy to ban another type of "bad" gun.
 
Sorry LL, but that NRA Council Members meeting that was referrred to took place in Southern California and I'm 400+ miles away in Northern California. The NRA was conspicuously quiet when this (SB23) legislation started to unfold originally last year. All my updates on it were from the CRPA (CA Rifle & Pistol Assoc.). I was very disappointed in NRA when it came to this recent legislation. Maybe they had "Too many irons in the fire", but that's my take on it.

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Just one of the Good Guys
 
Having attended NRA-MC meetings pretty much every single month last year, I can tell you there was a LOT of anti-SB23/AB15 pushes.

Actually, there were THREE major anti-gun bills, and the third was the worst: an elimination of preemption! That would have turned SF, Bezerkeley, Oakland, LA and God knows how many other towns into "utopian weapons free zones" like Chicago, WashDC and whatever (ack, puke, GAG!). We DID manage to kill that one.

We did the best we could, but with an all-Dem Governor/Assembly/Senate we mostly got our tails handed to us on a platter.

But it's not all bad news. The Dems went TOO far, and Davis is smart enough to see it. He's threatened to veto any new grabber bill, because he's afraid of that dreaded "November backlash". Too late, ya Gray jerk! We're gonna take back the Assembly at least, force redistricting into the courts so we don't get gerrymandered into Massachusetts West, and halt this cavalcade of BS you call a "legislative process" pretty much dead in it's tracks.

Yes, there's such things as "grabber Republicans". It doesn't matter! If the GOP wins the Assembly, they get to pick the committees and the committees can kill off the grabber bills like SEAL snipers at a terrorist's convention. And the GOP leadership, including Haynes, are strongly pro-gun so even a victory for a grabber GOP jerk like Cunneen benefits us.

:)

Jim
 
Labgrade;

You forgot the banning of lead minatures (Already done in NY and acouple of other states)
Because you know what happens when little toy soldiers get in the hands of a Patriot. :)


Tyrants Die.
 
Since this is a Kali related thread maybe some of tou folks can help me out.

I have a cousin in the Kali legislature (I think he's still there) but I don't know how to contact him since we haven't had contact in several years. I'd like to drop him an E-mail and rattle his chain a little so if anyone can give me a site for the legislators E-mail adresses I would appreciate it.

Never did care for the two-faced left wing hypocrite long ago so no problem of upsetting any family relationships. Example: He lived near and worked near Watts until the civil disobedience situation :) there years ago but he moved because he "wanted his children in a better learning enviroment".

Outsiders suggestion for Kali anti RKBA politicans feelings:

Totally ban all firearms/ammunition/reloading equipment/holsters/ranges and cancel all current CHL's as of August 1, 2000. Penalty for first violation $1,000,000 fine and total asset forfeiture plus life imprisonment with no possibility of parole. Ban and penalty could not be voted out until November 8, 2000. Let's see who's serious and who's just playing games. :D

If it would save one childs life.......

RKBA!
 
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