Models with safety and decocker variants

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Pond James Pond

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Taking a gun that can be bought with either a safety catch option or a decocker option, generally speaking, is there going to be a discernible difference in the trigger pull quality between one format and the other?

If so, which is better for feel?
 
I can only think of three pistols I've had experience with in both a decocker and decock/safety variant.

In none of those three cases could I detect a difference in the trigger pull between the different variants that I could attribute to anything other than the normal variation from gun to gun.

Most decockers don't operate on the trigger or interact with it. Usually they operate independently of the trigger and shouldn't have any effect on it.

It would probably be more useful to ask about the specific guns you have in mind.
 
It would probably be more useful to ask about the specific guns you have in mind.
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Well, the question was meant to encompass all guns in that category to see if there was an inherent effect, but the whole issue came to mind due to my interest in the CZ Rami 2075 (safety) and 2075 D decocker), the CZ75 Compact (safety) and Comact D (decocker) and finally my own CZ SP-01 (safety) and the SP-01 Tactical (Decocker).
 
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If I understand your question correctly then I would say no. I have in the past used Beretta 92 and 96 with de-cock levers and now have a Sig P239 with a de-cock and other than the first shot being double action and a bit longer after you de-cock the hammer, I have found that it doesn't effect the trigger pull.
 
Since you mention CZs specifically I do remember hearing Angus from CZ custom say that the decocker models often had a more noticeable difference after a trigger job as compared to the safety models due to the the more complex mechanism having more interacting surfaces. I could be wrong.

Walt on the forum would be the best to ask.
 
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Good thing you said most because some Berettas do Model 84 if I remember right.
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Yes, the centerfire Series 81 pistols (81, 82, 84, & 85) have been made both ways, but the last non-decocking centerfire versions were discontinued in 1990 and were different in several other ways from the decocker versions that replaced them.

The no-suffix, B-suffix, and BB-suffix pistols have non-decocking safeties, blued or nickel finish, rounded trigger guards, and wood grips (usually). The F-suffix and FS-suffix pistols have decockers, matte black "Bruniton" or nickel finish, squared-off trigger guards, and black plastic grips (usually). There are numerous other minor differences, but they're beyond the scope of this thread.

In my experience, there is no discernible difference between the trigger feel of the B, BB, F, and FS. The no-suffix pistols have less takeup in single-action due to the absence of a trigger-actuated firing pin block.
 
TunnelRat said:
Since you mention CZs specifically I do remember hearing Angus from CZ custom say that the decocker models often had a more noticeable difference after a trigger job as compared to the safety models due to the the more complex mechanism having more interacting surfaces. I could be wrong.
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CZs only:

I've shot, but never owned or detail-stripped a decocker CZ.

Decocker trigger jobs are a bit more complex because the decocker mechanism adds more parts that must be handled/removed and reinstalled after the hammer/sear interface is stoned. I haven't done it but those who have like the "safety" models better. :rolleyes: For the same size pistols, the sear, and the springs are the same., and the only big difference in the hammer is that one of the two hammer hooks is removed in the decocker models -- to make room for the decocker mechanism. (As I've said before, I have no experience with the Omega trigger models -- which is a different mechanism.)

The decocker PULL may feel different -- and Angus Hobdell would certainly be far more knowledgeable about that aspect of the decocker guns. (In addition to being a top CZ gunsmith, he's also a top CZ shooter -- as well as being good with 1911s, etc.) The CZ Custom Shop (and Cajun Gun Works) do more than your father's trigger job -- they typically do a full action tune, which includes things like polishing the decocker and firing pin sakety mechanisms, disconnector, any where metal rubs against metal, against the frame, different springs, etc., etc.

Trigger pulls weights for the various CZs are roughly the same when starting from the same positions in the same size guns (i.e., full-size vs. fullsize, compact vs. compact) whether fully hammer down, half-cocked, or fully cocked. The decocker models almost never get to fully hammer down at rest unless the owner has been dry-firing. Those models decock to and start from half-cock; that shortens the pull slightly. The trigger shape is different on the compact decocker CZs, so that changes the pull experience, as well.
 
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The decocker PULL may feel different -- and Angus Hobdell would certainly be far more knowledgeable about that aspect of the decocker guns. (In addition to being a top CZ gunsmith, he's also a top CZ shooter -- as well as being good with 1911s, etc.) The CZ Custom Shop (and Cajun Gun Works) do more than your father's trigger job -- they typically do a full action tune, which includes things like polishing the decocker and firing pin sakety mechanisms, disconnector, any where metal rubs against metal, against the frame, different springs, etc., etc.
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In thinking back I think I misspoke above. I do remember him saying that the decocker job was more complicated due to the added parts and the cost for the action job on the standard vs. decocker models reflects that. However I think he did say that the non-decocker models can end up slightly better, but either type can obviously be worked on.

In reference to Pond's question, my point is there are more parts in the decocker models which would leave me to believe that the standard models might have the potential to be better. I haven't owned a non-decocker current production CZ in some time so I can't truly compare.
 
There is always the CZ p-07...

Its a polymer framed pistol, it has the omega trigger and can be converted between safety and decocker.

Its roughly the size of the Glock 19.

The p-09 is similar but full sized.
 
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