Model 70 ejection

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Calcitanium

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I'm definitely a beginner with rifles -- I own a Model 70 I bought new in 1999.

Wondering if somebody can tell me how shells are ejected?

I found some searches on here for information, and I see that in the last few years, Model 70's are available in push feed or claw feed. I confess I'm not positive which I have.

I own an old Mauser I've shot a couple dozen times, which I understand is a claw feed.

I can hand feed cartridges in my Winchester -- I'm guessing that means it's push feed?

I found a thread mentioning that many modern bolt actions use a plunger for ejection.

Last weekend my Winchester stopped ejecting shells (I had to pick them out by hand). A friend suggested I give the bolt face area a good cleaning and lubrication and try again. I plan to do that soon.

Thanks.
 
The Mauser and both the old pre-64 Model 70 & new (post '92) "Classic" Model 70 both have a big rotating extractor on the outside of the bolt. You cannot miss this thing on the Mauser, so if the Model 70 has one like it, it is the "claw" type. Besides controling the round through the whole feed, extract and eject cycle, you will note that the Mauser extractor has more gripping area on the cartridge as well.
Push feed types usually have a much smaller hook extractor that does not really stick out from the bolt, but is set into it.
Ejection in the Masuer and "classic" Model 70 is effected when you pull the bolt all the way to the rear of its' travel and the cartridge hits a lttle pivoting "ejector" the is spring assisted. The harder you jamb the bolt back, the further the cartridge will fly out of the rifle.
Push feed type rifles usually have a little plunger with a dinky spring mounted behind them all set into the face of the bolt itself. Like the extractor, it is not nearly so robust.
Winchester still makes both types of actions. The push feed is the somewhat cheaper of the two and good for certain purposes.
Since you are having ejection problems, I would bet that the Model 70 is the of the push feed type, as they are more prone to that type of thing.
 
Sell the pushfeed rifle and get a controlled feed/positive ejection pre 64 type with claw extractor and fixed ejector.
End of problem.
 
Keep it, clean it and remember you can pull the bolt as fast as you want. Then again you can draw the bolt back slow and no one will hear a thing. You can lay a single round down and it will feed very smooth.
Happy to see another Winny 70 owner
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Try CLP and work the bolt with an empty case.

Karsten
 
I cleaned the bolt, sprayed with GunScrubber inside & out. Then soaked extractor end in Hoppes #9 for a few hours.

Then gave that end a good brushing, and did what I could trying to reach the inside with a cleaning swab and otherwise cleaned it up.

Oiled it, and put it back in the rifle, worked it a couple dozen times. No luck. Plunger appears to still be completely "retracted" -- looks about flush with rest of bolt face.

I'm starting to wonder if a spring has broken -- considering the way the rifle just suddenly stopped ejecting and never has again.

Could someone explain exactly how the plunger is actuated? Thanks.
 
Could someone explain exactly how the plunger is actuated?

Evidently, it isn't....

It has either been deformed into the bolt face, or the spring is dead, maybe both. This type of ejector is always supposed to be exposed, except when compressed by a cartridge base in the bolt face.
Disassemble the bolt, and check for debris, broken springs, and free travel of the ejector in the hole.
Once the problem is diagnosed, repair the weapon and sell it.
Take the money and buy a controlled feed weapon.
Probelm solved.

Mad Dog
 
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