I've been watching some of the MMM on C-Span today. I'm here to tell you, the Moms are going to be trouble. So what can we, the pro RKBA Americans, do about it? Join the NRA if you haven't already. Urge your friends to do the same. Write your elected officials. Write your newspapers. Post well thought out messages on newspaper chat rooms. (Avoid stereotypical "gun nut" rantings.) Engage friends in thought provoking conversation about "crime control versus gun control." (Don't just engage people who think as you do. Include individuals neutral to, and even for, more gun control. This serves to humanize the issue for them- it becomes harder to stereotype gun owners negatively.) Too much? Too difficult? Too frustrating? Too bad. We have to come together. The anti's are.
MMM will be trouble...
- Thread starter Erik
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Robert the41MagFan
New member
Two things are the kiss of death for a political organization. One, lack of money and two, not being able to deliver. The MMM has both of these problems. In a month, not many politician in America will even remember what MMM stands for. Especially since there is no check with their name on it and no million misinformed mom's calling them. This does not give politicians cover. The Communist parties propaganda machine is what's driving this thing. There will be another headline in about a week.
Robert
Robert
I've been doing this already. My last contribution to the local paper netted a response from the typical anti type nut.
What I know about this guy, is that he's one of the local LEO. He thinks that Ruby Ridge was exactly like the gov says. And that Randy Weaver is totally responsible for the deaths of fmaily members. yada yada yada.
My rebuttal to him was in the paper the next day. The Editor is hesitant about printing the rebuttal because he thinks I was too direct. His words, not mine.
I explained that being direct is the point, that you can't be coy and cute, and expect to be heard or taken seriously.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
What I know about this guy, is that he's one of the local LEO. He thinks that Ruby Ridge was exactly like the gov says. And that Randy Weaver is totally responsible for the deaths of fmaily members. yada yada yada.
My rebuttal to him was in the paper the next day. The Editor is hesitant about printing the rebuttal because he thinks I was too direct. His words, not mine.
I explained that being direct is the point, that you can't be coy and cute, and expect to be heard or taken seriously.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
Erik,
I hear ya! From now until election day, we need to do all we can. Too many of join all of the right progun groups and send emails to our elected officials, but that isn't going to cut it. Sure emails are better than nothing, but hand written letters are what gets read!!!
Everyone, go down to the drugstore and pick up some legal pads and a handful of writing pens. Sit down and write both of your Senators and your House Rep. as soon as you can and tell them that you are against the passage of any more feel good, do nothing gun control laws. Don't use your word processor, write the letters by hand. Once you have done that send them a followup letter each week.
Emails are just not cutting it!!! We have to send hand written letters!!! Ask anyone who knows how Congressional offices work, they can tell you that emails are almost never read!
Thanks,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
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I hear ya! From now until election day, we need to do all we can. Too many of join all of the right progun groups and send emails to our elected officials, but that isn't going to cut it. Sure emails are better than nothing, but hand written letters are what gets read!!!
Everyone, go down to the drugstore and pick up some legal pads and a handful of writing pens. Sit down and write both of your Senators and your House Rep. as soon as you can and tell them that you are against the passage of any more feel good, do nothing gun control laws. Don't use your word processor, write the letters by hand. Once you have done that send them a followup letter each week.
Emails are just not cutting it!!! We have to send hand written letters!!! Ask anyone who knows how Congressional offices work, they can tell you that emails are almost never read!
Thanks,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
[This message has been edited by nralife (edited May 14, 2000).]
Mike in VA
New member
Don't kid yourselves, the MMM have a bunch of corporate sponsorship, they got a ton of good pub today, and are well positioned to raise $$$ to buy politicians. The people running the show are very media savy and well connected. If you don't think this isn't part of Gore's campaign, you're not paying attention. They will spin the event as a big success with momentum, and so it will begin, the chumps will line up and the checkbooks will open. One can only hope that they'll lose their tax-exempt status after today (assuming enough people make noise about their lobbying activities) and all the mommies with 2 minute tv-attention spans will be off to the next cause, but I'm not betting on it, so I'm writing the SAS another check this evening.
M2
M2
Keiller TN
New member
One thing that helps the message is to use proper grammar. If you aren't that great with spelling and the proper usage of words, find someone who is and have them look over your letter. My wife helps me. Sloppiness is distracting and detracts from the message.
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"The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion." (Prov. 28:1)
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"The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion." (Prov. 28:1)
Just got back awhile ago from the MMM/AIMM event in Chicago, and I'm a bit concerned. I don't know if they can effectively organize themselves, but it's a good recruiting vessel for HCI. The MMM event was pretty much like a
60's love-in for soccer moms, and was long on emotion and short on information. A lot of us here spend a _lot_ of time writing, organizing and volunteering. Will these "moms" be willing to devote that much time to something that is, for them, a cause celeb?
Keep working, folks.
Dick
60's love-in for soccer moms, and was long on emotion and short on information. A lot of us here spend a _lot_ of time writing, organizing and volunteering. Will these "moms" be willing to devote that much time to something that is, for them, a cause celeb?
Keep working, folks.
Dick
Keiller TN,
I agree, The use of proper grammar and punctuation is very important! We don't need to make it appear that gun owners are an uneducated lot. While your at it, dust off those spell checkers. It is all right to use a word processor and spell checker to draft the letter, but after you do that, write it out by hand along with the envelope.
NRA-ILA Tips On Writing Congress
The letter is the most popular choice of communication with a congressional office. If you decide to write a letter, this list of helpful suggestions will improve the effectiveness of the letter:
Your purpose for writing should be stated in the first paragraph of the letter. If your letter pertains to a specific piece of legislation, identify it accordingly, e.g., House bill: H. R. ____, Senate bill: S.____.
Be courteous, to the point, and include key information, using examples to support your position.
Address only one issue in each letter; and, if possible, keep the letter to one page.
Addressing Correspondence:
To a Senator:
The Honorable (full name)
__(Rm.#)__(name of)Senate Office Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator:
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To a Representative:
The Honorable (full name)
__(Rm.#)__(name of)House Office Building
United States House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Representative:
Note: When writing to the Chair of a Committee or the Speaker of the House, it is proper to address them as:
Dear Mr. Chairman or Madam Chairwoman:
or Dear Mr. Speaker:
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Thanks,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
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I agree, The use of proper grammar and punctuation is very important! We don't need to make it appear that gun owners are an uneducated lot. While your at it, dust off those spell checkers. It is all right to use a word processor and spell checker to draft the letter, but after you do that, write it out by hand along with the envelope.
NRA-ILA Tips On Writing Congress
The letter is the most popular choice of communication with a congressional office. If you decide to write a letter, this list of helpful suggestions will improve the effectiveness of the letter:
Your purpose for writing should be stated in the first paragraph of the letter. If your letter pertains to a specific piece of legislation, identify it accordingly, e.g., House bill: H. R. ____, Senate bill: S.____.
Be courteous, to the point, and include key information, using examples to support your position.
Address only one issue in each letter; and, if possible, keep the letter to one page.
Addressing Correspondence:
To a Senator:
The Honorable (full name)
__(Rm.#)__(name of)Senate Office Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator:
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To a Representative:
The Honorable (full name)
__(Rm.#)__(name of)House Office Building
United States House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Representative:
Note: When writing to the Chair of a Committee or the Speaker of the House, it is proper to address them as:
Dear Mr. Chairman or Madam Chairwoman:
or Dear Mr. Speaker:
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Thanks,
Joe
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http://second.amendment.homepage.com
[This message has been edited by nralife (edited May 14, 2000).]
Fact-based, articulate letters to the editor and to your elected officials do get read and noticed. We should all write at least one a week.
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NRA/GOA/SAF/USMC
Oregon residents please support the Oregon Firearms Federation, our only "No compromise" gun lobby. http://www.oregonfirearms.org
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NRA/GOA/SAF/USMC
Oregon residents please support the Oregon Firearms Federation, our only "No compromise" gun lobby. http://www.oregonfirearms.org
Jeff Thomas
New member
I strongly believe that women now hold the key to freedom here in the States. There is a new women's organization that deserves your attention and your support ... Mothers Arms. Please see www.mothersarms.org .
They need members and financial assistance now. In the long run, they will become an important group for the education of women regarding the truth of self defense. Please tell others about this group, especially women.
Thanks. Regards from AZ
They need members and financial assistance now. In the long run, they will become an important group for the education of women regarding the truth of self defense. Please tell others about this group, especially women.
Thanks. Regards from AZ
You have to keep in mind when looking at the MMM is that it was a triumph of publicity making. It shows what can be done when the president and all the major networks hype something for months and that's all. They motivated a number of anti-gun forces to come out and gather together so they could be seen.
However, not a single person's opinion was influenced by what happened yesterday. The polls this week will show things pretty much the same as last week because nothing new was said or done yesterday. It was just a bunch of anti-gun nuts thumping their chests screaming the same tired, overused, slogans using the same, well known, faulty statistics.
If anything, though, their show may push folks over to the pro-gun side. On NPR this morning they played a tape of a woman addressing the crowd saying that she would tell congress the same thing she tells her children when asked "why?". "Because I told you so!". Then the whole crowd starts chanting "Because I told you so!". Oh, yeah. That's going to sell real well on Capitol Hill
That, along with all the signs for banning firearms, belies their claim of resonableness. They haven't a clue about how the system really works. Standing on a stage in a park screaming through a PA is not going to get congress' attention. The only thing that counts is delivering voters and that is something the NRA has proven time and again they can do and that's why they'll be listend to and the Million Morons won't.
Get your pro-gun friends to join the NRA (LaPierre said on Meet the Press yesterday that the NRA has gained 200,000 members in the last 6 weeks) and make sure they get out and vote. And don't worry about 100,000 Morons. There will likely be 4 million NRA members by November. The louder they squeak and the more fiercly they attack us, the stronger we get.
However, not a single person's opinion was influenced by what happened yesterday. The polls this week will show things pretty much the same as last week because nothing new was said or done yesterday. It was just a bunch of anti-gun nuts thumping their chests screaming the same tired, overused, slogans using the same, well known, faulty statistics.
If anything, though, their show may push folks over to the pro-gun side. On NPR this morning they played a tape of a woman addressing the crowd saying that she would tell congress the same thing she tells her children when asked "why?". "Because I told you so!". Then the whole crowd starts chanting "Because I told you so!". Oh, yeah. That's going to sell real well on Capitol Hill
That, along with all the signs for banning firearms, belies their claim of resonableness. They haven't a clue about how the system really works. Standing on a stage in a park screaming through a PA is not going to get congress' attention. The only thing that counts is delivering voters and that is something the NRA has proven time and again they can do and that's why they'll be listend to and the Million Morons won't.
Get your pro-gun friends to join the NRA (LaPierre said on Meet the Press yesterday that the NRA has gained 200,000 members in the last 6 weeks) and make sure they get out and vote. And don't worry about 100,000 Morons. There will likely be 4 million NRA members by November. The louder they squeak and the more fiercly they attack us, the stronger we get.
Dees-Thomases was on the NBC "Today Show" this am.
Of course she is riding high, she was adrenalin pumped and quite aggressively smug.
She said that she is turning MMM into a political action group, calling on all "members" to get involved in local politics on up by publicially forcing candidates to make clear statements on the gun issue.
She said, "if they (candidates) say they support "voluntary child safety measures, enforcement of existing laws and are against mandatory licensing/registration of all guns and gunowners; then they are clearly in the pocket of the NRA".
She even stated that "compromise legislation" indicates NRA affiliation.
Well guys, as I see this, they are dropping their "compromise" rhetoric...It is now "We are right, we know it all and we will have our way....or else"
Personally, I think this is good...let them become arrogant, angry and emotional. Their true colors will be seen
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
Of course she is riding high, she was adrenalin pumped and quite aggressively smug.
She said that she is turning MMM into a political action group, calling on all "members" to get involved in local politics on up by publicially forcing candidates to make clear statements on the gun issue.
She said, "if they (candidates) say they support "voluntary child safety measures, enforcement of existing laws and are against mandatory licensing/registration of all guns and gunowners; then they are clearly in the pocket of the NRA".
She even stated that "compromise legislation" indicates NRA affiliation.
Well guys, as I see this, they are dropping their "compromise" rhetoric...It is now "We are right, we know it all and we will have our way....or else"
Personally, I think this is good...let them become arrogant, angry and emotional. Their true colors will be seen
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
My 2 cents worth--the MMM contingent said & did nothing new ( we've heard a variant of this "killin' th' Kidz!' beat for years--first tobacco, then the Gunz!, soon it will be SUV's & beer )--but the sas-aim march had the advantage of novelty.
This is only the first shot in the War Against the Bill of Rights.
( Impeach Him Again--Harder! comes to mind, but that's another rant...)
We must all keep the momentum up.
Log onto ( & support )
sas-aim.org
jpfo.org
gunowners.org
--and, yes, the NRA--I have a lot of quarrels with the NRA, but they serve one crucial role--the anti's and their running-dog lackeys of the press focus attention on them while goa, etc., "fly under the radar."
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johnr
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"live free or die trying..."
This is only the first shot in the War Against the Bill of Rights.
( Impeach Him Again--Harder! comes to mind, but that's another rant...)
We must all keep the momentum up.
Log onto ( & support )
sas-aim.org
jpfo.org
gunowners.org
--and, yes, the NRA--I have a lot of quarrels with the NRA, but they serve one crucial role--the anti's and their running-dog lackeys of the press focus attention on them while goa, etc., "fly under the radar."
-30-
johnr
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"live free or die trying..."
The MMM is not such a bad thing really. Their goals and a agenda are really pushing the gun control movement too far, too fast.
Remember HCI does not want it to go too fast for fear of a backlash. See Grey Davis calling for no more gun control for awhile.
If they push too far, too fast, they will bite off more than they can chew and their little scheme of marching up and down the square might fall right out from under them.
What they fail to realize is that they are risking civil war with this agenda. Too many folks simply will not obey and thing could get ugly.
OTOH - If they go real slow - we are cooked for sure. There will be no resistance and they will attain their goal quite easily.
I say, better sooner than later while we have the means to do something about it. In 20 years, there will be very few of us left and we will only have bolt guns and crack-open shotguns stored at our local range.
Viva La Resistance!!
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
Remember HCI does not want it to go too fast for fear of a backlash. See Grey Davis calling for no more gun control for awhile.
If they push too far, too fast, they will bite off more than they can chew and their little scheme of marching up and down the square might fall right out from under them.
What they fail to realize is that they are risking civil war with this agenda. Too many folks simply will not obey and thing could get ugly.
OTOH - If they go real slow - we are cooked for sure. There will be no resistance and they will attain their goal quite easily.
I say, better sooner than later while we have the means to do something about it. In 20 years, there will be very few of us left and we will only have bolt guns and crack-open shotguns stored at our local range.
Viva La Resistance!!
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
CassandraComplex
New member
I agree that the MMM is doing us a FAVOR by pushing too hard, too fast. These emotional moms are undermining the entire gun grabber's methodical infringement of gun Rights.
The MMM has awoken the sleeping giant of 80 million gun owners in this country. Thanks to them, we had huge marches yesterday for gun Rights. Where I was at, we had just as many pro-gun marchers as anti-gun, and the pro-gun people were pissed off and ready to act. All the MMM has done is made us mad and organized.
And, here is a quote from Rosie for her true agenda. (Gee, I thought that they were just saying that all they want is "common sense gun legislation" and that they are no threat to law abiding gun owner's Rights to own guns?)
Quote from Rosie O'Donnel's interview on AOLive:
"Question: What would be your ideal vision for gun control?
Rosie O’Donnell: LICENSE AND REGISTER ALL FIREARMS. ALL. BAN
HANDGUNS TOTALLY -- THEY ARE MADE FOR ONE REASON... TO KILL
PEOPLE."
The MMM has awoken the sleeping giant of 80 million gun owners in this country. Thanks to them, we had huge marches yesterday for gun Rights. Where I was at, we had just as many pro-gun marchers as anti-gun, and the pro-gun people were pissed off and ready to act. All the MMM has done is made us mad and organized.
And, here is a quote from Rosie for her true agenda. (Gee, I thought that they were just saying that all they want is "common sense gun legislation" and that they are no threat to law abiding gun owner's Rights to own guns?)
Quote from Rosie O'Donnel's interview on AOLive:
"Question: What would be your ideal vision for gun control?
Rosie O’Donnell: LICENSE AND REGISTER ALL FIREARMS. ALL. BAN
HANDGUNS TOTALLY -- THEY ARE MADE FOR ONE REASON... TO KILL
PEOPLE."
"but it's a good recruiting vessel for HCI."
Guys, it WAS HCI. This is a shell game. Starting another organization does not create new money and new donations in the long-term. But the MMMs might continue to push the debate to the left which will energize our side.
At the Phoenix MMM counter demonstration we had 200 gunnies and got at least 50 of them to sign on for further contact. We are going to use this to start a new group of gunnie activists. Not the keyboard type, not the Golfers-with-Guns trap & skeet apoliticos. Real rights activists who get out in 100 degree heat and spout off.
In Phoenix, anyway, we gained more than we lost.
Our next project? We will rent Phoenix Patriots Square Park to celebrate the Bill of Rights this fall. We will put on a multi-media show with booths and a narrated slide and video show. We might even take some clips from Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" when it comes out on video. Out to be good for a few quotes. Heck, we could sell a copy or two.
Time to rock and roll, boys and girls.
Guys, it WAS HCI. This is a shell game. Starting another organization does not create new money and new donations in the long-term. But the MMMs might continue to push the debate to the left which will energize our side.
At the Phoenix MMM counter demonstration we had 200 gunnies and got at least 50 of them to sign on for further contact. We are going to use this to start a new group of gunnie activists. Not the keyboard type, not the Golfers-with-Guns trap & skeet apoliticos. Real rights activists who get out in 100 degree heat and spout off.
In Phoenix, anyway, we gained more than we lost.
Our next project? We will rent Phoenix Patriots Square Park to celebrate the Bill of Rights this fall. We will put on a multi-media show with booths and a narrated slide and video show. We might even take some clips from Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" when it comes out on video. Out to be good for a few quotes. Heck, we could sell a copy or two.
Time to rock and roll, boys and girls.