MMM End game reveald

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This is a local gun show in my "Free State" of Maryland. This local MMM'r reveals the true end game for MMM and the other gun grabbers. The last four paragraphs are telling. THEY @$#%^&* LIE!
http://www.gazette.net/200039/bethesda/news/26862-1.html

Gun control group plans to protest

by Myra Mensh Patner
Staff Writer


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Sep. 27, 2000
A newly created chapter of the Million Mom March plans to organize a demonstration against gun shows at the Montgomery County fairgrounds on Oct. 21 and 22, when the next show is scheduled to take place.

"We object to the fact that tax dollars help support the Montgomery County fairgrounds while there are gun shows there," said Tierney O'Neil of Chevy Chase, who organized the Montgomery County chapter of the Million Mom March.

The chapter is one of about three dozen chapters that have sprung up around the United States since the Million Mom March in May, when about 800,000 people marched on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. to show support for tighter gun control.

Organizers of that event created a national nonprofit group based in San Francisco with the goal of keeping the momentum established during the May demonstration.

After learning from a Sept. 13 Gazette article that biannual gun shows have taken place for a decade at the Montgomery County Agricultural Center and Fairgrounds in Gaithersburg, O'Neil raised the topic at the local chapter meeting on Sunday.

The 25 people at the meeting voted unanimously to stage a protest at the fairgrounds' entrance.

JoAnne Leatherman, executive director of the Montgomery County Agricultural Center and Fairgrounds, referred calls to attorney James Clifford of the Gaithersburg firm of Debelius, Clifford & Debelius. He did not return calls.

The 59-acre fairgrounds is owned and operated by a private, nonprofit organization with an independent board and staff.

The fact that in the past two years, the fairgrounds has received more than $700,000 in state, county and City of Gaithersburg funding for renovations has prompted some people to say that the public should have a say in whether gun shows should take place on the fairgrounds.

County Councilman Blair G. Ewing (D-At large) of Silver Spring plans to hold a public discussion on whether the fairgrounds, or any place in the county that receives public money, should be the setting for gun shows.

O'Neil said her group plans to offer Ewing and other politicians a petition objecting to public funding for the fairgrounds as long gun shows take place there.

Some counties around the United States have moved to stop gun shows at fairgrounds. Last year, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors passed an ordinance banning gun and ammunition sales on county-owned property.

After gun show promoters obtained an injunction that stopped the ordinance from taking effect, the fair operator -- a private group that leases the fairgrounds from Los Angeles County -- continued renting to several gun show organizers.

Later in the year, however, the Los Angeles fairground operator did not renew gun show contracts and the shows ended at the fairgrounds. A trial is expected on the challenge to the ordinance.

Councilman Ewing's legislative aide attended Sunday's Million Mom March meeting in Chevy Chase as did Del. William A. Bronrott (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda, who is a member of the Million Mom March organization.

It is Bronrott's cousin, Frank Krasner, who for a decade has been the promoter of the county's two gun shows at the fairgrounds. Krasner's company, Silverado Promotions, also holds gun shows at the Frederick County and Howard County fairgrounds, as well as in Prince George's and Wicomico counties.

Krasner, who has scheduled a second Montgomery fairgrounds show for Jan. 6-7, features new and antique firearms, handguns, rifles, shotguns, military hardware, assault weapons, bows and arrows, knives, ammunition, holsters and other gun paraphernalia.

Contacted by The Gazette on Monday, Krasner declined comment.

Maryland closed key gun show loopholes in the last decade, requiring that unlicensed gun dealers obtain temporary gun transfer permits to sell handguns and certain kinds of assault weapons. Maryland laws also requires unlicensed dealers to conduct background checks and enforce seven-day waiting periods, just like licensed dealers.

But that's not enough, O'Neil said. If shows continue, promoters should be required to register them with state and federal authorities, who should also be made to check dealers' licenses, O'Neil said.

Promoters should also be required to file security plans before shows, O'Neil said.

"Gun shows and our taxes don't mix well. County fairs create good memories for families and selling guns at the fairgrounds shouldn't be part of that," O'Neil said.
 
Look, we have GOT to ream newspapers when they use fraudulent numbers from the gun control movement, like, "The chapter is one of about three dozen chapters that have sprung up around the United States since the Million Mom March in May, when about 800,000 people marched on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. to show support for tighter gun control."

They've got corrections policies, let's demand that they USE them! Here's the evidence: www.etherzone.com/mmm052300.html

I've been raking my local paper over the coals for using the 750,000 number; The only reason they get away with this garbage is that they don't get called on it often enough.

So let's call them on this lie! At editor@gazette.net




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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Here is what I sent them:

Dear Sir or Madam:

Ever wonder why the public no longer trusts the media? Here is a perfect example of why. Here Myra Mensh Patner spreads the propaganda put out by the MMM without checking her facts. There are several out right lies in this article. For example the number she uses for the Moms that attended the march on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. as 800,000. Please check out the following link that disproves this number. It is actually closer to 50,000. www.etherzone.com/mmm052300.html

The one question that I have regarding this article is; why is the fact that those attending the gun shows are also taxpayers not disclosed in the article? Are not all those who pay taxes entitled to 'Share' the grounds? Because some people disapprove of guns, does that make those who do like them non taxpayers and not entitled to the use of the fairgrounds? I'll bet that if you add up the taxes paid by those attending the gun shows and compare it to the taxes paid by those who are opposed to having gun shows, that the gun show attendees have paid more in taxes.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
I'll bet I can find a group to object to every event at the fairgrounds:

Rodeos and 4-H shows: PETA.

Sewing/quilting/craft fairs: Carpal Tunnel Prevention Society, Arthritis Foundation.

Revival meetings: any non-Christian religion, church and state separatists.
(If it's a traditionally Black church like AME, you could get the Aryan Nation to sue, too).

Farm machinery shows: Earth First.

So maybe we should just shut down the fairgrounds and do everybody an equal disservice. Maybe we should just shut down the entire fraggin' COUNTRY because somebody, somewhere might maybe be offended by any possible action.

A public venue like a county fairground ought to be open to any legal activity that is willing to pay the usage fees and abide by the house rules for safety, cleanup etc. I see no problem with the requirement to file a security plan; I'd ask the same thing if the show was watches and jewelry, or any other thing that might attract theives. The laws on actual transactions are already established. So, what it comes down to is that these whiners want to run off the gun shows because they don't like guns. I say to them, tough luck. Find something else to do that weekend.
 
Time for the MD RKBA crowd to show up

Do you think we can organize a showing at a gunshow?

dZ
 
I am in Maryland and I think it is time for the MD Chapter of the Tyranny Response Team to be there and get in the MMM's faces BIGTIME!!! I have long admired the work of the TRT in Colorado - let's kick some @ss in MD!!!

I'll be sending this thread to everyone I know in MD who would be interested in countering this protest. I am talking bullhorns, video camera's, a booth with our info - the WORKS!!

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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by L-Frame:
This is a local gun show in my "Free State" of Maryland. This local MMM'r reveals the true end game for MMM and the other gun grabbers. The last four paragraphs are telling. THEY @$#%^&* LIE![/quote]

Maybe if they organize more gun show protests it will motivate the non-voting gun people to Do The Right Thing . . . ?

I might have to head down to MD that weekend.

zook
 
More Info for those of you in MD.
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ALERT

A newly created chapter of the Million Mom March plans to organize a
demonstration against gun shows at the Montgomery County fairgrounds on
Oct. 21 and 22, when the next gun show is scheduled to take
place........................... "Gun shows and our taxes don't mix well.
County fairs create good memories for families and selling guns at the
fairgrounds shouldn't be part of that," said Tierney O'Neil of Chevy Chase,
who organized the Montgomery County chapter of the Million Mom March.
http://www.gazette.net/200039/bethesda/news/26862-1.html

URGENT that you send comments to Maryland Montgomery Council concerning
plans by Councilman Ewing to hold a public discussion on whether the
fairgrounds, or any place in the county that receives public money, should
be the setting for gun shows.

Blair Ewing -At Large Democrat councilmember.ewing@co.mo.md.us -
Plans to hold the discussion

Isiah Leggett - Democrat isiah.leggett@co.mo.md.us

Steve Silverman- Democrat Steven.Silverman@co.mo.md.us

Michael L. Subin - Democrat county.council@co.mo.md.us

Howard A. Denis - Republican Councilmember.Denis@co.mo.md.us

Nancy Dacek - Republican nancy.dacek@co.mo.md.us

Phil Andrews - Democrat phil.andrews@co.mo.md.us

Marilyn J. Praisner - Democrat m.praisner@co.mo.md.us

Derick Berlage - Democrat berlage@co.mo.md.us


"Maryland: America's Most Robbed Citizens since 1995"
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports '95, '96, '97, & '98)


[This message has been edited by L-Frame (edited September 28, 2000).]
 
For 2 points does anyone know who Vicki King works for?

I am relieved that County Councilman Blair Ewing is looking into the gun show situation at the
Montgomery County Fairgrounds.

A gun show where assault weapons, handguns and massive amounts of ammunition are sold,
does not fit into the rural theme of the fairgrounds. Those weapons are made for killing people,
not hunting animals for food or sport.

I do not want my tax dollars to support such an event at my county fairgrounds where I take my
children each year to the fair. The fact that these weapons designed for human destruction are
sold several times each year at the fairgrounds, puts the lives of all of our children in danger and
it should be stopped.

Vicki King, Silver Spring

As a taxpayer, I am appalled that last year we gave $220,000 to the Montgomery County
Fairgrounds in light of the fact that we allow gun shows to be held there.

The County Council has been a leader in recognizing the urgent need to address gun violence in
the nation. So much so that they presented the Million Mom March with a proclamation of support.

People like Councilman Blair Ewing have the courage to bring to light this dilemma. It is now the
citizens' turn to respond. When we fail to respond, we fail to care. I hope your readers care
enough to be heard. Our kids' lives may be depending on it.

Put a stop to the gun shows at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds.

Tierney O'Neil, Chevy Chase

The writer is a Montgomery County organizer of the Million Mom March.

Councilman Blair G. Ewing (D-At large) believes he knows how to spend my tax dollars, or more
specifically how not to spend my tax dollars by forbidding legal gun shows at the fairgrounds.

Hopefully, voters will see his attack against gun shows as just one more effort by a politician
looking for fast headlines and quick votes.

No one debates that the issue of gun abuse and ownership is a serious matter deserving the
public's attention. But to falsely suggest that the infrequent gun shows put on by Frank Krasner's
Silverado Promotions are a danger to the public is, to me, evidence that this is yet another
elected officials who prefers taking cheap rhetorical shots to doing his homework on sensitive
issues. Ewing obviously has never been to a Silverado gun show, or he would have noticed that
Krasner hires a number of off-duty policemen to protect the show and help ensure that local and
state laws are upheld.

As a Democrat, citizen activist, taxpayer, gun owner and voter, I am deeply insulted that the
councilman feels it is his prerogative to deny law abiding citizens access to public venues simply
because he does not like guns.

What next? A ban on cat and dog shows at the fairgrounds since these may lead to more abused
animals? Or how about banning rodeos? No doubt the folks at PETA would love you for that one.

Roger G. Stillwell, North Potomac
http://www.gazette.net/letters/
 
here is my letter to the editor of the Gazette:

Gee, who is that Vicki King, who wrote that letter to the editor?

Let me refresh your memory:

One mom believes millions can make a difference for gun control


by Liz M. Zylwitis
Staff Writer

Mar. 15, 2000

Silver Spring woman helps
coordinate
Million Mom March

For the past seven months, Vicki King
has spent an average of 25 hours a
week planning the Million Mom March
to be held May 14 in Washington, D.C.,
and three other cities.

Why 2 letters from the MMM organizers about gunshows in one issue?
Why no credit line for the MMM National Organizer?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A gun show where assault weapons, handguns and massive amounts of
ammunition are sold, does not fit into the rural theme of the fairgrounds. Those
weapons are made for killing people, not hunting animals for food or sport.[/quote]

Actually the majority of the arms for sale at Montomery Country gunshows are hunting rifles, accurized target rifles and game hunting shotguns. Yes, there are perfectly legal, semi automatic modern rifles available for sale there as well. The vendors are honest tax paying merchants. I have always found everyone involved with Silverado gunshows to be courteous family oriented people. Perhaps Mz King should examine her own backyard before insulting and demonizing the "rural" folke in mine.
 
I have said it before and I will say it again here and now.

Do like I did, vote with your tax dollars and get out of Maryland. I moved out at the end of July and I have not missed that state, its taxes, its BS, its traffic, its murders, its politics or much of anything else.

Get out while the gettings good.

And the getting is good right now.
 
Dizzipater: I was born and raised in B-more but left 25 years ago, and return only to visit family. There is little freedom left in the "Free State".
 
Not to be smarmy in the least guys, but where is it you will go?

Not that I like much about any city ('specially those "back east"), but, the fact remains that The Moms will (ARE!) try(ing) to do this everywhere.

They're doing the same thing across the country.

Stand, & fight them with all you've got.
 
For the 2 points - I submit:

"Vicki King,
Maryland Coordinator for the Million Mom March organization http://www.mpt.org/madebympt/newsnight/newsmaker/000515.shtml

William A. Bronrott (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda, who is a member of the Million Mom March organization http://www.google.com/search?q=William+A.+Bronrott&btnG=Google+Search

Bills sponsored by Bronrott http://mlis.state.md.us/2000rs/sponsors/bronrott.htm

Responsible Gun Safety Act of 2000 http://mlis.state.md.us/2000rs/billfile/hb0279.htm

County Councilman Blair G. Ewing (D-At large) of Silver Spring

Largest Dollar Contributions to Friends of Blair G. Ewing http://users.erols.com/citpac/bewing.html

$1,500 Friedman, Wilbur 11404 Norris Dr. Silver Spring MD
OCA-DC: 2000 Board and Advisors
wilbur.friedman@nlrb.gov
http://ocadc.cugnet.org/2000-1st/boardy2k.html
Wilbur Friedman, Treasurer
Mr. Friedman was a PTA president in Montgomery County from the late 1960's until the early 1980's, and has been active in school board elections since about 1968. He has been a member of OCA-DC since about 1993, and was the vice-president for Education from 1997 - 2000. He is the treasurer of EDPAC, a nonpartisan committee which works for school board candidates, and recently became the president of United Democrats of Montgomery County. He is, the father of two children, both grown, a lawyer with the National Labor Relations Board, and a graduate of the University of Michigan and the Yale Law School"

Lots more where that came from .....

Follow the money & politics (they usually end up in the same place).

You guys need intel. You need to know who you're dealing with & why. Well, we know why ...

The "forum" to decide what to do - well, any doubts that the fix is already in?

Best I can see is hit the "forum," express your outrage & watch 'em blow you all off - no matter how many "they" are outnumbered by. If nothing else, it'll give you more outrage to watch your local politics in action.

Again & again I'll say it; there's nowhere else to go. Besides, if y'all won't fight it where you are, we'd just as soon not have any whimps coming out to where we're already fightin' it tooth 'n nail .... (1/2 tongue in cheek, 1/2 not ... )
 
I wonder about the tactic of demonstrating directly against the MMMs. Now that I've had some experience in trying to deal (mostly unsuccessfully, unfortunately) with antis, I'm starting to think that any kind of direct opposition only adds fuel to the fire. I think that using the 2nd amendment as an argument does the same - the response is something along the lines of "the knuckle-dragging gun nuts think their right to own evil guns is more important than children's lives."

It seems to me that a better approach would be to ignore them, and organize pro-self-defense marches and rallies instead. While the media probably wouldn't cover such a thing in itself, they would no doubt cover the MMMs protesting against it, which might be enough.

Of course, how many gun owners would be willing to participate? A couple of weeks ago, I attended our local NRA Grassroots meeting. The EVC had a list of 25 people (out of how-many-thousands of gun owners in my county) who had expressed a direct interest in participating in the election efforts. Four, count 'em, 4 people showed up.

I don't know, just some thoughts.

zook
 
Just had an additional thought. Maybe support could be gained from non gun owners by rallying against violence in general, with an emphasis on the value of firearms as tools of self-defense. "Gun Owners Against Gun Violence" . . . ?

zook
 
Zook:

Good points...!
Both sides need to think and not react emotionally. This isn't about what is true and right. It is about public perception. The fact that Gore is still in this race tells you that perception is very superficial and formed with little research. The American..at least the U.S. public ( I don't want to insult the rest of the Americas any more than I want to insult apes by suggesting a common ancestory ) does not have the intellectual capacity, nor the patience to understand a coherent arguement. If it takes more than thirty seconds..their attention is back on thinking about Homer Simpson's butt.
 
Thanks Gary. I just had another thought. "Gun Owners Against Gun Violence" marching WITH the MMMs. heh.

zook
 
Sorry, my emotional state impacted negatively upon my ability to spell. In other words, I just read my own post. Correct spelling is always important when confronting the other side. Remember, we are primitive and uneducated. The MMM know that we can barely remember that our pant's zipper goes in front. Damn, that's right. Excuse me while I put my pants back on. Now, do they go over my head or feet?
 
Folks, you need a great strategist and a new strategy to get these
MMMers run really amok. :)

Join their organization, patiently wait for them to organize a
demonstration against a gun show. This is your day. Get together as
many as possible, preferably at least one thousand, join their march
and get transparents that can be torn apart and have a pro-RKBA slogan
on the inside. First hold up the transparents and boards with the MMM
slogan and then unfold them to reveal their true seed. And, if this
happens in a state where one can carry openly, do that too once
they've found out whom they're up with.

That shall make them freak out. ;)
 
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