Missing Nuke Secrets
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Call me a conspiracy nut, but the day I heard the 'controlled burn' was out of control and headed for Los Alamos I said this would happen. The drives have been missing for months, probably since long before the investigation into Lee's dealings.
Lee was a patsy for other items they found missing. Another one in the form of a 20-something computer tech will emerge from this.
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Lee was a patsy for other items they found missing. Another one in the form of a 20-something computer tech will emerge from this.
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Was wondering when something like this would have to be let ou tof the bag. Call me nuts, but I bet not a single firefighter will get any awards for stoping that fire form going even crazyer than it did. Wouldnt it have been nice to have the fire destroy as much evidence as possible???
Folks this is really a little worse than you might imagine. The disks contained personnel and tactical information on NEST (Nuclear Emergency Search Team). Frankly I would rather it had been instructions on creating a 10 MT bomb instead. Those instructions already exist on the net. But if terrorists get NEST info, they can learn how to counter some of our very sophisticated detection equipment and techniques. Let's hope they were lost somewhere on the site or thrown into the trash and incinerated.
Missing nuclear secrets found behind Los Alamos copy machine
June 16, 2000
Web posted at: 10:18 p.m. EDT (0218 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two missing computer hard drives containing sensitive nuclear weapons data from the Los Alamos National Laboratory have been recovered, federal authorities announced Friday.
The drives were found behind a copy machine in a secure area of the laboratory that had previously been searched, sources told CNN.
It was not known whether the disks ever left the building. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said investigators are looking into "inconsistencies" surrounding the whereabouts of the device.
The FBI has examined the drives for fingerprints and they were to be examined electronically on Saturday to determine absolutely whether they are those that are missing, and whether they had been tampered with or the contents copied, said an official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The Energy Department's admission that the two disks were missing early this week prompted a new round of congressional hearings into security at the nation's top nuclear laboratory, where the first atomic bomb was completed in 1945.
Despite their safe recovery, Richardson said Friday afternoon he would continue an investigation into the matter, and he promised disciplinary action would result. Investigators are treating the area where the drives were found as a crime scene, and Richardson said "their authenticity" was still being evaluated.
The drives were found in the so-called "X Division," a closely guarded section of the Los Alamos facility. They contained details of how to dismantle numerous nuclear weapons from U.S. and other nations' arsenals. The information is used by the Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), which is trained to respond to nuclear accidents or terrorism.
The drives have been missing since at least May 7, when Los Alamos employees prepared to evacuate the facility due to wildfires in the surrounding New Mexico countryside.
The FBI and Energy Department conducted the investigation into their disappearance, and NEST members at Los Alamos have been given polygraph tests.
According to Justice Department sources, the FBI had 58 agents on-scene at Los Alamos on Friday, and the agency was treating the area in which the disks were located as a crime scene. The disks were to be checked later Friday through a series of electronic and forensics tests to determine if they had in any way been compromised.
The sources said they had no assurances that the disks had not been taken off laboratory premises in the time they were missing.
President Bill Clinton said earlier Friday that it remains "not clear" whether national security has been jeopardized by the drives' absence. Clinton said it is important "to get to the bottom" of what happened.
"It's a serious issue, and I think what we ought to do is see the investigation through and see where the facts lead us," he said during an interview on NBC's "Today Show."
In addition to the FBI/Energy probe, former Tennessee Sen. Howard Baker, a Republican, and former Indiana Rep. Lee Hamilton, a Democrat, are taking an "independent look" at the issue.
"We need to do what we can to find out what happened, whether there was a security breach and if so, how we can change it so that it will never happen again," Clinton said.
The revelations of missing nuclear secrets prompted new hearings on security procedures at Los Alamos in both houses of Congress this week. Richardson, whose department has oversight of the laboratory, has come in for particularly harsh criticism -- especially after he skipped a Senate hearing into the matter Wednesday.
Richardson said he would appear before the Senate Armed Services Committee next week, when "we will have more answers" about the missing data.
The Los Alamos facility is operating by the University of California. Several members of the House Commerce Committee sent Richardson a letter Friday calling for the department to terminate the lab's operating contract with the university.
The letter noted that "virtually every loss of weapons information at Los Alamos has involved lab employees," and that the employees were most likely responsible for the misplaced hard drives.
"It is time for the department to take charge of the Los Alamos National Laboratory," the members wrote. "We believe that it is no longer in the 'best interests of the government' to continue with the University of California as the management and operating contractor."
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But plain.
--H.C
June 16, 2000
Web posted at: 10:18 p.m. EDT (0218 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two missing computer hard drives containing sensitive nuclear weapons data from the Los Alamos National Laboratory have been recovered, federal authorities announced Friday.
The drives were found behind a copy machine in a secure area of the laboratory that had previously been searched, sources told CNN.
It was not known whether the disks ever left the building. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson said investigators are looking into "inconsistencies" surrounding the whereabouts of the device.
The FBI has examined the drives for fingerprints and they were to be examined electronically on Saturday to determine absolutely whether they are those that are missing, and whether they had been tampered with or the contents copied, said an official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
The Energy Department's admission that the two disks were missing early this week prompted a new round of congressional hearings into security at the nation's top nuclear laboratory, where the first atomic bomb was completed in 1945.
Despite their safe recovery, Richardson said Friday afternoon he would continue an investigation into the matter, and he promised disciplinary action would result. Investigators are treating the area where the drives were found as a crime scene, and Richardson said "their authenticity" was still being evaluated.
The drives were found in the so-called "X Division," a closely guarded section of the Los Alamos facility. They contained details of how to dismantle numerous nuclear weapons from U.S. and other nations' arsenals. The information is used by the Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST), which is trained to respond to nuclear accidents or terrorism.
The drives have been missing since at least May 7, when Los Alamos employees prepared to evacuate the facility due to wildfires in the surrounding New Mexico countryside.
The FBI and Energy Department conducted the investigation into their disappearance, and NEST members at Los Alamos have been given polygraph tests.
According to Justice Department sources, the FBI had 58 agents on-scene at Los Alamos on Friday, and the agency was treating the area in which the disks were located as a crime scene. The disks were to be checked later Friday through a series of electronic and forensics tests to determine if they had in any way been compromised.
The sources said they had no assurances that the disks had not been taken off laboratory premises in the time they were missing.
President Bill Clinton said earlier Friday that it remains "not clear" whether national security has been jeopardized by the drives' absence. Clinton said it is important "to get to the bottom" of what happened.
"It's a serious issue, and I think what we ought to do is see the investigation through and see where the facts lead us," he said during an interview on NBC's "Today Show."
In addition to the FBI/Energy probe, former Tennessee Sen. Howard Baker, a Republican, and former Indiana Rep. Lee Hamilton, a Democrat, are taking an "independent look" at the issue.
"We need to do what we can to find out what happened, whether there was a security breach and if so, how we can change it so that it will never happen again," Clinton said.
The revelations of missing nuclear secrets prompted new hearings on security procedures at Los Alamos in both houses of Congress this week. Richardson, whose department has oversight of the laboratory, has come in for particularly harsh criticism -- especially after he skipped a Senate hearing into the matter Wednesday.
Richardson said he would appear before the Senate Armed Services Committee next week, when "we will have more answers" about the missing data.
The Los Alamos facility is operating by the University of California. Several members of the House Commerce Committee sent Richardson a letter Friday calling for the department to terminate the lab's operating contract with the university.
The letter noted that "virtually every loss of weapons information at Los Alamos has involved lab employees," and that the employees were most likely responsible for the misplaced hard drives.
"It is time for the department to take charge of the Los Alamos National Laboratory," the members wrote. "We believe that it is no longer in the 'best interests of the government' to continue with the University of California as the management and operating contractor."
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Big Guns again
No speakee well
But plain.
--H.C
I have used classified information almost daily for the last 30+ years, including the type/category of compartmented information Los Alamos most recently mishandled. The carelessness currently exhibited by agencies such as State (the lost, classified laptop computer is only one example) and DoE is simply appalling -- and it has become endemic during the last years.
A direct connection exists between these serious security breaches and an attitude that pervades senior levels of the Clinton administration. Specifically, many of Clinton's senior subordinates -- and their staffers -- believe they are too smart, too focused on the public's well being (as they perceive it), and too important to be troubled by inconsequential administrative matters such as basic security regulations . . . . After all, that's for the "common people".
Top-level security clearances are granted to unqualified officials (despite their excellent educations, extensive political connections, and lofty liberal beliefs) who are plainly unconcerned with the safeguarding of classified material. Under these circumstances, it is predictable that sensative information is routinely compromised.
Let me document the "Clinton roots" of this problem in a straightforward manner. For decades before the Clinton administration, individuals seeking compartmented top secret access were required to provide detailed accounts of their personal backgrounds, which were rigorously scrutinized (and then reinvestigated every five years). These reviews included question such as "have you EVER used illegal drugs?". About six years ago, however, many of these background investigation questions were revised from "EVER" to "WITHIN THE LAST X YEARS". This modification permitted Clinton appointees to successfully answer investigative questions without committing perjury. Obviously, they also allowed individuals with problematic backgrounds to gain access to highly classified information.
Reasonable individuals may wonder, for example, if it really matters if a person used illegal substances at some time. What is important is RESPECT FOR RULES, not drug use pre se. The liberal elitists who disparaged the law in their twenties and thirties, have become the political appointees who are too important to be concerned with mundane security regulations today.
The foregoing analysis is charitable. It includes only potential security compromises created by arrogant disregard of security policies, while excluding the intentional transmission of classified information for political (Chinese financial contributions) and/or ultra-liberal ideological reasons.
[This message has been edited by RWK (edited June 17, 2000).]
A direct connection exists between these serious security breaches and an attitude that pervades senior levels of the Clinton administration. Specifically, many of Clinton's senior subordinates -- and their staffers -- believe they are too smart, too focused on the public's well being (as they perceive it), and too important to be troubled by inconsequential administrative matters such as basic security regulations . . . . After all, that's for the "common people".
Top-level security clearances are granted to unqualified officials (despite their excellent educations, extensive political connections, and lofty liberal beliefs) who are plainly unconcerned with the safeguarding of classified material. Under these circumstances, it is predictable that sensative information is routinely compromised.
Let me document the "Clinton roots" of this problem in a straightforward manner. For decades before the Clinton administration, individuals seeking compartmented top secret access were required to provide detailed accounts of their personal backgrounds, which were rigorously scrutinized (and then reinvestigated every five years). These reviews included question such as "have you EVER used illegal drugs?". About six years ago, however, many of these background investigation questions were revised from "EVER" to "WITHIN THE LAST X YEARS". This modification permitted Clinton appointees to successfully answer investigative questions without committing perjury. Obviously, they also allowed individuals with problematic backgrounds to gain access to highly classified information.
Reasonable individuals may wonder, for example, if it really matters if a person used illegal substances at some time. What is important is RESPECT FOR RULES, not drug use pre se. The liberal elitists who disparaged the law in their twenties and thirties, have become the political appointees who are too important to be concerned with mundane security regulations today.
The foregoing analysis is charitable. It includes only potential security compromises created by arrogant disregard of security policies, while excluding the intentional transmission of classified information for political (Chinese financial contributions) and/or ultra-liberal ideological reasons.
[This message has been edited by RWK (edited June 17, 2000).]
So, we've had notebook/laptop computers some up missing from orifice buildings in DC, Virginia, etc.
I'd heard the Brits were having similar problems with security-sensitive materials.
Now, we have a story about a fire in the forest, and where, oh where, is Smokey the Bear? We hear after the ashes have cooled that Nuclear Secrets are missing.
Now, we hear that the secrets we're placed behind a copying machine...
Such information/disinformation reminds me of muddy water(Filegate). There's so much trash in the water that the truth is not clear, even though it's right in front of you.
One thing that should be clear is that we're all in deep Kinchee. We've a totally corrupt Upper government and realted agencies that there's little hope of truth being in any statement made from thereIWashington), or from any source representative of there(Pravda).
Pessimistic point of view, I know. But realistic too.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."
Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
I'd heard the Brits were having similar problems with security-sensitive materials.
Now, we have a story about a fire in the forest, and where, oh where, is Smokey the Bear? We hear after the ashes have cooled that Nuclear Secrets are missing.
Now, we hear that the secrets we're placed behind a copying machine...
Such information/disinformation reminds me of muddy water(Filegate). There's so much trash in the water that the truth is not clear, even though it's right in front of you.
One thing that should be clear is that we're all in deep Kinchee. We've a totally corrupt Upper government and realted agencies that there's little hope of truth being in any statement made from thereIWashington), or from any source representative of there(Pravda).
Pessimistic point of view, I know. But realistic too.
Best Regards,
Don
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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."
Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
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Now the rhetorical question . Imagine yourself as the newly hired head of security at XYZ Corporation . You find gaps in security such as we have seen at the Govt. level now . Would ANYONE in security still have a job ????
Klinton in his dogged effort to prove how liberal he can be is requiring little or nothing in the way of anyone to get a job as long as they represent a diversity . We saw the same deal with Jimmy Carter . All his buddies from Ga. got fired or arrested . Klinton has the same problem .
He is more interested in trying to find a place for this country to go instead of remembering where we came from . We're going to hell in a handbasket and all he wants to do is make it easier for foreign nationals to invade the upper levels of our nation .How many Medal Of Honor winners have slept in the Lincoln Bedroom ?
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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
Klinton in his dogged effort to prove how liberal he can be is requiring little or nothing in the way of anyone to get a job as long as they represent a diversity . We saw the same deal with Jimmy Carter . All his buddies from Ga. got fired or arrested . Klinton has the same problem .
He is more interested in trying to find a place for this country to go instead of remembering where we came from . We're going to hell in a handbasket and all he wants to do is make it easier for foreign nationals to invade the upper levels of our nation .How many Medal Of Honor winners have slept in the Lincoln Bedroom ?
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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA