Minnesota close to moving down a notch on the Brady rating :)

You know, you gotta actually thank the Brady people. Never a better way to decide which state to live in ... just start at the bottom of the list and work your way up. At all costs avoid the states at the top!

Which part of Utah? I love the lower high plateau area ... simply beautiful (could have easily moved to Panguitch). I wanted to get to the North too but our trip ended at SLC and headed back east towards home. It's another one of those areas I'd love to go back to.
 
pgdion said:
You know, you gotta actually thank the Brady people. Never a better way to decide which state to live in ... just start at the bottom of the list and work your way up. At all costs avoid the states at the top!
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It really IS handy, isn't it? :D
 
I was born and raised in Hurricane, a small town not 20 min from Zion National Park, but now I'm going to school In SLC at the University of Utah. Its a beautiful state but I'm kind of partial.

Its a very gun friendly state, we just got a new state gun and can open carry w/o a license. Many of my coworkers do.
 
We here in Mn. do have a Castle Doctrine act, this new bill would give us an extension on our right to protect ourselves if we feel threatend, not only in our homes(which we already have)but in a tent, garage, a car, or where ever we happened to be.
We have no duty to retreat in our homes if there is a threat, we can use lethal force.
This new bill is HF 1467---it has passed both chambers and will await Dayton's approval, however law inforcement is against this bill, reason being, they said more officers could be shot when approaching a home---lets get real!!
 
i'm on the fence with this issue. on the one hand, i'm all for protecting yourself, your home and family, but this idea of 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality looks like a lawsuit ready to happen. I'm curious how Dayton will deal with this since I do know he's a gun owner himself
 
i'm on the fence with this issue. on the one hand, i'm all for protecting yourself, your home and family, but this idea of 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality looks like a lawsuit ready to happen. I'm curious how Dayton will deal with this since I do know he's a gun owner himself
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Need to do some research for areas like Florida, Texas , Oklahoma etc. To see how their castle doctrine is . Most shootings outside of the home here in OKC are bad guys. Not to say we don't have a few Darwin's . But your fears are unfounded. Our politicians have found that out already and now we are talking possible open carry. And again people need to see how it is in OC states before they pass judgment on that.
 
but this idea of 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality looks like a lawsuit ready to happen
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Where in the proposed law does it say that?
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Of course it doesn't say that, that is what the Brady camp calls this strengthening of our Castle Law.
 
This is about:

STAND YOUR GROUND

Not Castle Doctrine, which you already have in Minnesota.

I am always amazed at the number of people that own firearms and come to websites like this to discuss firearms and yet still don't know whether their own state is Stand Your Ground, Castle, or neither. Heck, a surprising number of daily CC/OC'ers don't even seem know the difference between Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine, which is quite scary to me.
 
gaseousclay said:
i'm on the fence with this issue. on the one hand, i'm all for protecting yourself, your home and family, but this idea of 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality looks like a lawsuit ready to happen. I'm curious how Dayton will deal with this since I do know he's a gun owner himself
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The 17 other states (should be at least 19 by the time next year) that already have laws like this have no real problems enforcing the law or with lawsuits.

Also 26 states have Castle Doctrine, which is what you are apparently actually talking about. So that is 43 states doing just fine letting people defend their own lives in their home without having to run out the back door just because someone is breaking in the front.
 
Need to do some research for areas like Florida, Texas , Oklahoma etc. To see how their castle doctrine is . Most shootings outside of the home here in OKC are bad guys. Not to say we don't have a few Darwin's . But your fears are unfounded. Our politicians have found that out already and now we are talking possible open carry. And again people need to see how it is in OC states before they pass judgment on that.
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I'm merely saying that it's an accident waiting to happen. I know there's been resistence from law enforcement over this issue, mainly because it's a safety concern for them, and deservedly so. just some food for thought.
 
In MN we actually have a limited form of castle doctrine in our homes right now, I wouldn't call it the castle doctrine myself. You have the right to use deadly force in your home if and only if you feel your life or the life of your family is threatened (and you can prove that in court). That's really the same thing as being out and about. If someone breaks into your home, you don't have the right to use deadly force. You get to call the cops and sit there with your gun while you watch them stealing your TV. This is a little exaggerated but essentially true. If they broke into your home you can argue you felt your life was threatened but if you shot the guy and he's alive to tell 'his side' of the story, well it could get ugly. We need better support than that and this bill would give it to us.
 
>>> you gotta actually thank the Brady people <<<

Right! I'm glad to see Louisiana (at 2) is rated near the "top" in something.
 
I'm merely saying that it's an accident waiting to happen.
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How so? On what facts do you base this opinion?

I know there's been resistence from law enforcement over this issue, mainly because it's a safety concern for them, and deservedly so.
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Why is this resistance deserved? What actual evidence supports this position?

just some food for thought.
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Sorry, not really. We can debate which is the best item listed on the menu, but if there's no food in the kitchen to back it up, we won't get any nourishment.
 
Funny, the resistance from law enforcement I've observed has historically come from the political branch of law enforcement, such as Chiefs' associations.

I have rarely heard or read gloom and doom predictions from actual patrol or detective types.

What a surprise: Politicians don't like guns.

Yep, an accident waiting to happen, all right... It blows my mind that some of our members think that way.
 
I'm merely saying that it's an accident waiting to happen. I know there's been resistance from law enforcement over this issue, mainly because it's a safety concern for them, and deservedly so. just some food for thought.
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How is it a accident waiting to happen? Driving a car can be an accident waiting to happen. Every time you load or unload a firearm you could have a accident ( neglectful discharge ) That's why you use the 4 rules of safety. When any state first gets any type of new gun law the unrestricts lawful gun owners there is usually resistance from LEO. Whether it be Castle doctrine, conceal carry or in my home state right now open carry. Yes they are afraid it will bring blood to the streets. What they find in most cases is that lawful gun owners have defended themselves. Not to say there will not be some bad apple gun owners but that will be a small percentile a drop in the bucket. Just some food for thought.
 
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