Millitary trained for police tactics

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Military Trained for Police Ops

A retired colonel charges that the U.S. military's elite units are being trained in civilian areas in America to take over the role of domestic police.

Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT

By Mike Blair

A high-ranking retired Special Opera tions Command officer told The SPOTLIGHT that elite military units have been undertaking urban warfare maneuvers in cities and towns across the United States in preparation for assuming the duties of U.S. law enforcement.

The retired colonel confirmed for the first time that the mysterious training engaged in by U.S. Army Special Forces and Delta Force, Navy Seals, Marines Force Recon and U.S. Air Force Air Com mandos is intended for domestic operations.

Use of U.S. troops to enforce civilian law is a gross violation of the Posse Comi tatus Act, legislation passed during the Rutherford B. Hayes administration prohibiting the U.S. military from engaging in domestic law enforcement, and the Constitution.

The officer, a retired colonel, told The SPOTLIGHT that the Pentagon has been purposely misleading the public by explaining that these exercises are urban warfare training to prepare American elite troops for missions in foreign lands, such as hostage rescue operations at a be sieged U.S. embassy or other U.S. interest centers.

The colonel said, however, the fact is the troops are primarily training for po lice-type activities, particularly in the United States.

Two units have been heavily involved in the training: the Army's Delta Force and the Night Stalkers, the latter group being a unit of highly-trained helicopter pilots, who ferry the Delta Force troopers into action and have been responsible for flying low, at almost tree-top or roof-top level, over civilian areas.

The colonel, who spoke with The SPOTLIGHT on the condition of anony mity, has been supported in his revelations by disclosures to the Internet web site, World Net Daily, by former Night Stalker, Captain Jeff Norgrove.

"These aren't really military exercises," Norgrove said. "They are SWAT training. The Army will never admit that to you, but that's what it is.''

Last year, Delta Force and the Night Stalkers were involved in a controversial exercise in Kingsville, Tex., where the SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) troops used live ammunition and explosives to conduct their training.

Special Operations Command officials at Fort Bragg, N.C., insist that only "training ammunition" was used during the exercise in Kingsville and other American communities.

A number of retired military officers have come forward to insist that Army claims of the use of only training ammunition are untrue.

"They really think we're so stupid that we can't figure this out," Norgrove said.

Most of the Night Stalkers and the Delta Force troops, according to Norgrove and the retired colonel, are young and not fully aware of what is going on.

"They just do what they are told," Nor grove explained. "It's exciting and the pay is very good."

The colonel told The SPOTLIGHT that the young Delta Force soldiers and Night Stalkers involved in the activities are heavily indoctrinated.

"They would not have any hesitation to shoot at their fellow Americans if they were ordered to do so and felt that it was the right thing to do under a given circumstance," the colonel said.

"They are part of what the military refers to as 'the warrior class' and they are tasked to take out the enemy, and that could mean to them, under the right circumstances, either foreigners or their own countrymen," the former Special Operations officer explained.

While the FAA regulations require air craft to fly well above the tops of houses and buildings, the Night Stalk ers are criss-crossing American cities and towns at extremely low levels, many contend, endangering the civilian population.

In Kingsville, as an example, a helicopter struck the top of a telephone pole, causing a fire near a home.

The Delta Force and Night Stalkers do not even wear standard military uniforms. Instead, just like any SWAT team, they are garbed in black uniforms, complete with black helmets and face shields. They also wear bulletproof body armor and are usually discharged from the Night Stalkers' helicopters wielding Ger man-made Hechler and Koch 9-mm machine guns.

The maneuvers are always conducted at night. The helicopters are painted dark with a special paint that has a sandpaper texture, appears black and enables the aircraft to avoid radar. They are flown without lights by Night Stalker pilots utilizing night vision goggles. The helicopters bear no markings that can be seen in the darkness.

The special paint is obviously responsible for stories about and sightings of "black helicopters," which have long been pooh-poohed by the Pentagon as the hallucinations of "right-wing nuts."

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I really wish theyd get it straight its
right wing extremists ( me!,ME!,) and gun nuts (ME!,ME!,).
Anyway wanted to get other thoughts no this one.Am I just blackchopper copping here or what?
Oh and it has happened before in guess whos state...
G.W.
Itll take me minute to look that one up though.
www.ccops.org www.gunowners.org



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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
This is as hard to believe as stuff from WND.
World Net Daily needs to get some credible sources for at least ONE article.

I will not base my opinions on the "retired colonel"'s story. All of this article is purely heresay, they don't even really offer any supporting evidence at all...

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Well there are DOCUMENTED, cases were ATF, FBI have done the same as mentioned above! So I would NEVER put it past the Military to do the same.

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Dead [Black Ops]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
"The Night Stalkers???"

Good Lord. As paranoid as I am, this one really pegged the BS meter.

Stealth helicopters? (How do you stealth a big rotating fan?)

Later,
Chris


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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
 
Actually, the Night Stalkers do exist; they are the 160th SOAG. They are the Air Force pilots who get the Delta Force, SEALS, Green Berets... to their destinations. And they do fly what appear to be Black Helicopters, althought the Pentagon claims they are REALLY dark green. Which by the way makes perfect sense as most of these types of operations tend to be done at night, where a dark paint job can really help. As far as stealth goes, why not possible. If a plane the size of a strategic bomber can be made almost invisible then why not a slow moving, low flying helicopter. They may not be stealth as in invisible, but maybe just damn hard to see till its too late. Dont discount the story, there are Documented stories in mainstream media even of various special forces groups training in local cities. They call them MOUT (Military Operations in Urban Terrain) or training for activities other than war, i.e. peace keeping, national disasters, hostage rescue... you name it. The Kingsville, TX excercise included "taking down" an abandoned police building. The only thing questionable about the aricle is the intent of the excercises. Sort of like proving the Intent of a person with more that X amount of dope as "intent" to distribute. We will never know till they employ their new tactics.

As for the source, what is the difference between the retired colonel or ABC/CNN's unknown sources or the like they claim. Nobody should take anything from anybody for granted, if youre interested in the topic do the research yourself and either validate or disprove it.

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
Well that other article of the time the Millitary got to search the civillian bus in texas for a bomb is lost to me so forget about that one.
So discount this if your prone to just thought some would enjoy it.
I mean none of us really beleive US army commanders train commie chinese soldiers
do we?
 
Ok, lets inject some facts into this.

The Night Stakers do exist. They are the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment based out of Ft Campbell KY and Hunter Army Airfield in GA. They are Army pilots and support the special operations community. Their aircraft MH6s, MH60s and MH47s are painted the same dark green as every other helocopter in the Army. The "M" in front of the "H" in the aircraft designation stands for the Special Operations varient of a standard aircraft. These upgrades are sinister things like air to air refueling capability and advanced avionics.

The Air Force has it's own special operations wing, they are based at Hurlbert Field FL. They fly AC130 Spectre gunships and MH53 helos.

The last reliable figure I heard about the strength of SFOD-D (Delta Force) was that it was under 250. They would like to have more but the standards are so high most can't make it into the unit. In fact the strength of all services special operations forces is somewhere around 8100 combined. I got this figure from an article on racial diversity in special forces. This figure includes SFOD-D, all the Army Special Forces Groups (whose real mission is to insert behind enemy lines and train and equip a battalion of guerilla fighters for each A team.) The Ranger Regiment, the SEAL teams, Marine Force Recon, Army Psychological Operations and Civil Affairs units and Air Force Special Operations Units. Most of these units have very specialized missions and aren't composed of the steely eyed killers one expects to find. The "Special Forces" name covers a lot besides Delta and SEALs.

The entire US Special Operations force combined could not take over for one large metropolitan police department like NY or LA.

Here is my take on the "sinister" training going on in US cities. We are simply training to go to war, and not against the American people. The last conflicts we have been involved in (except for the gulf war) have all involved airmobile special operations in urban areas. From the rescue of an American expatriot in downtown Panama City during the Dec. 89 conflict to the debacle in Mogidishu in 93 we have used the combination of special forces and special forces aviation in urban areas. Quite simply, there aren't any tall buildings in the urban combat villages on Army and Marine bases. And securing permission from a host nation to conduct this type of training in a foreign city (although it's been done) is a lot harder then doing it here.

I'm sorry, I just don't like all the speculation that the US military is about to take over. Some of this stuff needs to be debunked.

Jeff
 
TAZ - The reason you can't build a stealth helicopter is because of the rotor. Radar waves reflect off of sharp edges better than anything, especally things like antennas, wing root fairings, cockpit trim, and rotor blades. When the rotor blades are forty feet across, rotating in a big circle, and constantly changing angle and trim, well, you can do whatever you want to the aircraft body. It's not going to help.

BTW, painting a helicopter with radar-absorbing paint won't help it's RCS (radar cross-section) much. Stealth ability has to be built into the aircraft from the ground up, which is how we get aerodynamic kludges like the F-117A.

My two cents.

Later,
Chris
 
Half of the time- or half of us rather, we are complaining about the Klinton administration weaning our forces down to nil.

The other half, we are talking about these super-cali-fred-gelistic-expi-ali-doshish glow in the dark forces. When the Thunderbirds or Blue Angles can fly during the day without smashing into each other, I will concern myself with the public schooled special forces coming to take me away. Until then I will worry more about what the hippies are doing with their feel good legislation rather than what super cop is doing hovering outside my window.
 
Last month the city of Berkeley refused to allow urban warfare training within the city limits. I believe that it was special forces group involving helicopters. I can't remember which service they were from. The local press reported the training as normal urban warfare training. Of course, who knows what lurks in the minds of men. If scheduling such training in Berkeley represents the level of intelligent planning available to this group, then I would not worry about deployment in the U.S.. They must have been nuts to try this in Berkeley.
 
I couldnt help it
"normal urban warfare combat training"
say that 10 times real fast.
What is this kuwait or Nam.
Metinks no one here belevies that they saw
millitary tanks in Waco,TX and that they beleive it was just computer editing by some right wing faction to make the gov. look bad.
I personally think our backyard is the only place our politicians would the guts to send such a force into.
Think about it we have some form of treaty with every communist and socialist country in the world
The main enemy to oppose further power for our domestic rulers and the one-worlders are people like me.
Who else in the world is opposing them or is not paying them off.

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"those who sacrifice
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I wonder if the "anonymous colonel" is responsible for the large number of errors in the article?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Most of the Night Stalkers and the Delta Force troops, according to Norgrove and the retired colonel, are young and not fully aware of what is going on.[/quote]

Most, if not all, Delta Force troopies are in their mid-thirties. And they train to be aware of what's going on. It tends to be a vital survival skill.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The helicopters are painted dark with a special paint that has a sandpaper texture, appears black and enables the aircraft to avoid radar.[/quote]

CARC avoids radar? :confused: Colonel, suh, may I suggest that you stay awake during your next few CI briefings? The Public is quite aware that the paint doesn't have a darn thing to do with stealth capabilities. And the public even knows that you can't stealth a helicopter. Drink more coffee next time, okay?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The helicopters bear no markings that can be seen in the darkness.[/quote]

Psst! Hey, there's a lot of things that can't be seen in the darkness. There ain't no light to see 'em by. Add Staff meetings to the list of things to stay awake for.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A retired colonel charges that the U.S. military's elite units are being trained in civilian areas in America to take over the role of domestic police.[/quote]

Oh Joy! We'll be able to replace the LAPD and part of the NYPD. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy. Hmm...wonder who'll 'take over' the other 99.9994% of the US. Not to mention being on call for those pesky overseas military missions.

Yack.

LawDog
 
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