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Hueco

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What is the real story behind militias? What goes on inside them? What are their goals? Do they attain them? What is the usual route of "joining?" Are they more akin to cults then military units? What is the good and bad of them?

There hasn't been a whole lot of talk on this subject here, so I thought I'd throw a fly in the ointment.


Hueco

[This message has been edited by Hueco (edited June 27, 2000).]
 
Hueco, there isn't much discussion of militias in polite (ahem) company because of their largely unearned reputation. You know, the beer-swilling racist redneck stereotype perpetuated by the mediots.

BTW, you are by law a member of the US Militia under Title 10 Section 311 of the US Code. In other words, if you don't have an AR-15 and a Beretta 92 and can use them effectively, you're a felon. ;)

Perhaps others will answer your other questions. As I have a problem with Authority (no, really?), I don't belong to any paramilitary-type orgs.
 
There was a special on the Discovery Channel a while back on the Missouri 51st Militia.

If I see it come back on I'll post it here. Pretty interesting. Of all the militias I've ever heard about, they seemed to have it more together than any other.

The only 'militia' I've ever had contact with were some guys at the range talking about overthrowing the Gubmint. A couple of them asked me to join their group. Get away from these types ASAP.

And Coinneach is correct, no need to really join something you belong to already.
 
Coinneach noted:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Hueco, there isn't much discussion of militias in polite (ahem) company because of their largely unearned reputation. You know, the beer-swilling racist redneck stereotype perpetuated by the mediots.[/quote]

Largely unearned ... but not entirely.

Down the street from me is a true variety store. They sell sewing machines and school supplies. They have a section of baby clothes and kids' toys. They rent videos. They sell survival equipment, MREs, knives, guns and some ammo. And they sell books, including a wide selection of offensively racist books (America: Free, White, and Christian is one title that I recall from the last time I was in there).

The store owners are proud militia members and noticeably racist. They strike me as good people to avoid and I do not spend my money in their store, nor would I voluntarily associate with them in my free time.

I sincerely hope that Coinneach is correct in that the reputation of militia members in general is largely unearned ... because these folks sure aren't a good advertisement for the cause. :)

pax


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"When stupidity is a sufficient explanation, there is no need to have recourse to any other." -- Mitchell Ulmann
 
Pax, you've already pointed out the disclaimer. ;)

Yeah, there *are* beer-swilling racist redneck buffoons in the gun culture; so freakin' what, is my opinion. You'll find idiots everywhere.

Most (again, note that) pro-RKBA types I know are far more intelligent, educated, and open-minded than the average naked ape. We have the occasional throwback, but when TSHTF, you won't find them throwing lead downrange... you'll find them cowering under their beds.
 
If you can find a copy of a book called "Harvest of Rage" by Joel Dyer, read it. It's an analysis of the farm belt connections to the militias, caused in large part by Federal farm policies. Very interesting reading.

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RACIST??? You want RACIST???? I'll give you RACIST!! Go to a Black Muslum neighborhood in Chicago . Be polite , don't bother anyone , just walk around looking at everything there . Just don't expect to be ignored . Don't expect to be left alone . Don't expect to be spoken to as just another person in this great country . Oh!! You got no business there ? Say that when they come to your area and watch the lawsuit .
Some Militias have a bad rap because they have worked so hard to deserve them . The Missouri 51st is a social group which happens to be made up of many veterans . ( American Legion , Veterans of Foreign Wars same thing ) and they are ALWAYS willing to help in an emergency . Too bad the wimpy sheriff stopped asking them to help because they are a "militia." Most of the help given is looking for lost kids or adults with limited facilities . They give time , pay their own rations , supply their own logistical support and generally are more motivated to succeed . I'm sure the sheriff would rather let a bunch of cons out to help look for lost or stranded folks . KA does that with forest fires . After all it's not like they're militia or something .

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TOM
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The Missouri 51st is one of, if not the only, state militia with a state charter. I have talked with some of their members on numerious ocassions and as paratrooper pointed out they are a good group of people. They devote a lot of their time and personal resorces to assisting sheriffs departments in search and rescue as well as other community services. They are usually set up at gun shows in Kansas City for recruiting.
It is unfortunate that militias have earned a reputation for being militant and racist. Like many things in this country that is partially due to biased media coverage.

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Gunslinger
 
As has been pointed out, you are most probably already in a militia.

One of the bad things about militias is the tendency of the idiot sub-genus to describe their paramilitary forces as 'militias'. It doesn't look good when WAR and the KKK describe their small armies as 'militias'.

And, of course, guess who the Media will focus on and interview when they do their segments on militias? You guessed it: The Church of the Apocalypse. *sigh*

Plus, the situation with militias today is similar to the situation of the American Nazi and Communist Parties during World War 2. I've been told by several sources that the American Nazi Party would have folded during World War 2, if it hadn't been for the vast number of undercover Federal Agents paying dues.

After the OKC Bombing, you can bet vital portions of your anatomy that the 'increase in Militia Membership' so breathlessly reported by CNN was more than partly due to undercover agents.

And then there are the Ice Cream Commandos. No matter how intelligent, loyal, patriotic or whatever your militia, you're going to attract the 22 year-old-Vietnam/Desert Storm Veteran, with the "Kill 'em All, Let God Sort 'em Out" t-shirt, the Rambo(tm) serrated, crew-served knife tucked into his Nike combat boots, and the Desert Eagle .50 CCW inside his black BDU trousers. He's easy to spot: when you have a meeting about peacefully picketing the Million Moron March, he'll be whipping out the pipe bomb instructions (downloaded from the Internet)and assembling the devices on your kitchen table. He'll also be the one signing your militia name to the 'anonymous' death threats he regularly sends the President. Even after you kick him out. *double sigh*

LawDog
 
Lawdogcoined the term <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>crew-served knife[/quote]

Lawdog, you owe me a new keyboard; I just spewed coffee all over mine. ROTFLMAO.
 
It sounds like alot of people here are believing exactly what the government wants and has attempted to program people to believe about militias.
 
Like it has been said if you are male and 18 your state constitution may already consider you militia. Of course you will find the fanatics and militants and weirdos who claim to be militia, but those like the 51st are doing something constructive. If you are concerned about our US Constitution and the 2nd amendment and the way our shoddy government is run these days, you may be someone who is interested in joining your state militia. Its kind of like the "unofficial national guard". Who else is going to hold our government responsible when the shtf? Soccer moms? I dont think so. A good militia member is someone whos heart wells up with pride when they think of the great people who helped build our country and who remembers those who won us freedom from tyranny. A patriot.

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