Middle-Class, Rural White Guys Own Almost All Guns

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Waitone

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Just saw this piece on CBS website
http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,212455-412,00.shtml


Point of the article is the prevailing wisdom that guns are broadly owned thoughout the US is not so, says CBS. In reality most guns are owned by a really small group of owners. A study was cited that says 80% of all guns are owned by 10% of the population. Putting numbers to the the author says 10% of the population in the US ownes 150 million firearms. Additionally, they say, gun ownership has never been more concentrated than it is now in a small number of rural, middle-class white men.

You can read it for yourself, but let me throw out my 2 cents. 1) We are looking at the next front in the war against the second amendment. All the killing in the US is the result of a small groups of rural, white, middle-class sicko's. 2) This group will be marginalized. 3) I see a racist component to the argumentation by implying that white guys are the source of the problem. 4) These rural (does that mean red-neck) white-guys exercise undue influence on the election because the country can't change the laws. So in addition to being the cause of killing people, they people also corrupt our elections with their money.

This piece is just breath-taking is its audacity. CBS is a bureau of the Ministry of Propaganda. Look for this to show up in the election coverage.



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Yeah...didn't I see this here elsewhere? But one point they are missing...all the legal and registered guns are owned by this "dereanged psychotic group of minorities.

Gee...the blacks, hispanics and gangbangers that never do any wrong....they must have a bunch of UN-REGISTERED legal guns...or they are using sticks and stones to kill each other off. uh-huh. :(


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If most of the guns in this country are owned by white rural males. How come most of the gun violence is perpetrated by urban minorities?


Geoff Ross

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You must remember the psychology of propaganda.... You must make the masses believe that they are in the right and it is only a miniority who are wrong. Thus they instill the moral right to fix the problem with the minority. Don't believe this report for a second.... It is nothing more than propraganda.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
This is a part of the racist "angry white male" creation of the media. But it sells to a certain liberal crowd. White males are the evil oppressors of the world and all others are victims. I know it's a preposterously stupid idea but it sells.

However the media won't draw some other inferences from the propaganda. Such as middle class white males commit little crime. While Black and Hispanics commit amounts of violent crime completely disproportionate to their demographics.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If most of the guns in this country are owned by white rural males. How come most of the gun violence is perpetrated by urban minorities?[/quote]

That's what we call a dam' good question.

pax

"When someone says, 'That's a good question,' You can be sure it's a lot better than the answer you're going to get."
 
Not to sound inflammatory, but isn't this essentially the same class that started a revolt against governmental abuse of power in this country more than two centuries ago?

I fail to see a problem.

SA Scott
 
May I suggest a poll. I presume the media group did some research on this subject, you folks call it a fraud. Why don't we conduct a simple little poll. Everybody who reads this (and has a gun) please post whether you are white or not and whether you live in a town with say more than 50000 inhabitants or not.

I will start: I am white and I live in a big city. So white and urban. Doesn't count though since I don't have a gun.

Can't harm to make this little poll, can it?

cheers

Helge
 
White,male,christian,conservative,hetro-sexual,gun owner, the only safe people to discriminate against.

Live in town over 50,000, and have never commited a gun crime, must be all you evil rural folk.

Look at the name and guess my color.

The black poor who are violent must be held responsible for their conduct. Are they not made poorer still when they are not accorded the respect inherent in the equal application of the obligations and expectations of citizenship?
G Loury. PhD,M.I.T

[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited July 17, 2000).]
 
Well, why is this a shock? Most cars are owned by the middle class, most boats, most shoes (not counting Imelda Marcos' collection), etc., etc. We, the middle class, are what powers the economy. And the upper class can afford to hire members of the middle class to carry guns to protect them. Isn't that right, Rosie?

I'd like to see a comparison of the violent crime rate for the "elite 10%" vs. the other 90% of the population. Hmmmmmmmm.

In other words, people who hunt, farm, or are miles from other people own guns. Duh. What a groundbreaking study! They should get a fat gov't grant.

I don't know how many people live in my home town (probably under 50,000, but growing quickly), but both my next door neighbors are deer hunters.
 
HelgeS. Your study would be absolutely worthless. Only people who own computers would be able to reply to your poll. I suspect tht most computer owners are Middle Class Whites.

Also, most middle class whites who own guns own them LEGALLY. Not so for the urban minorities who commit most of the gun violence in this country.

This poll would have as much validity as the Truman-Dewey poll done over the telephones in 1948.

Geoff Ross

(Middle class suburban white heterosexual gun owning veteran, if it is important to you)

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[This message has been edited by K80Geoff (edited July 17, 2000).]
 
White, rural. But this whole thing is silly; Sure, the average gun owner probably owns only one or two guns, because that's all they need for what they do with them, and they haven't got the bucks to pile up guns they won't be using often. Then you've got a minority of collectors, who OF COURSE are going to be mostly white, because most people in this country ARE white, and OF COURSE are mostly rural, because what's the point in owning a lot of guns you don't have someplace to shoot?

Personally, though, I doubt the validity of this poll, in as much as there are aproximately as many guns as people in the country, and a quarter or so of the population owns them. Even if virtually every one of those people owns only one gun, that leaves only roughly 75% of the guns to be owned by that tiny minority they're talking about. And since a pretty big portion of the population hunt, basically meaning a rifle AND a shotgun, that leaves even fewer guns for the tiny minority of serious collectors.

Betcha it comes down to the usual; Most gun owners are too suspicious to admit owning guns, and if they do admit to it, will downplay the number. Getting accurate info on this subject is DIFFICULT, (And aren't we glad!) and not a high priority in any case for CBS.

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Lets see,
Guns are a luxury good for most people
(average cost ~$250 each)
someone with an "average" collection has ~ 2000 dollars invested.

what population in the US has DVD players?

I gather the survey doesn't cover illegal crime gun ownership.

dZ
 
Point made by one: "This statistic is fraud"

Senseless support from others: "Yeah, it is all fraud!! Yeah yeah!!"

My point: "Lets just make a very simple poll. Not very even or useful, but still a simple indicator"

Point made by one: "Oh .... well that poll is fraud too!! And it doesn't matter anyways, blah blah"

Senseless support from others: "Yeah, and you are an idiot too!! Yeah yeah!!"


What is missing? The little line: "Oh sorry, maybe the statistic wasn't a fraud. Sorry."

But then, for such a statement you need to have a bit of self-esteem. Shouting with the masses has always been easier.

Just food for throught

cheers

Helge
 
According to ATF, there were 1,484,477 handguns manufactured in 1996, 1,722,830 in 1995, 2,581,961 in 1994, and 2,655,478 in 1993. On average 2.1 million new hand guns are manufactured and sold each year in the US. It is estimated that there are more than 192,000,000 Firearms dispersed among 44million owners at any given time in the United States.

42% of men own guns; 9% of women own guns. Gun ownership, and handgun ownership, was highest among middle aged, college-educated people of rural and small town America.

The top 20% of gun owners own 55% of guns. In 1994 (the most recent data available) 10 million individuals owned 105 million guns; the remaining 87 million guns were dispersed among 34 million other owners.

46% of gun owners possessed them for self-protection; 41% of men and 67% of women. Of the handguns in private ownership, 48% are revolvers, 40% semiautomatics, and 12% "other" (single shot type pistols?).

About 14 million American adults (about 1/3 of gun owners) carried firearms for protection at least once during the 12 months preceding the survey (1993). Four million of them said they carried for protection in connection to work. Two thirds of those who carried in their vehicles. Only 1/4 who carried hand guns were employed in the protective service field. An estimated 3 million people who were not law enforcement or security carried firearms for protection on the job in 1994.

56% of those who carried outside of work did so fewer than 30 days per year. 22% of those who carried outside of work never left home without a gun. On any given day 1.1 million people were carrying outside the workplace and another 2.1 million had a handgun in their car or truck.

The average handgun purchased in 1993 and 1994 was worth $392 and fewer than 1 in 20 were valued at less than $200.

This information is available from the National Institute of Justice Research at(www.ncjrs.org). The title of the report is "Guns In America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms".


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Helge, you won't get that "Oh, sorry, maybe the statistic isn't a fraud." because it IS a fraud. You can't square the number of gun owners in this country, and the number of guns owned, with that 80% figure being true. I hope you don't actually think CBS is a reliable source of information on this subject; They've been caught in too many lies in the past!

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