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I will admit that I wasn't really following this when it was big news the beginning of the year. I was wondering where California is right now with the law. I understand that the bill passed all the hurdles and it was supposed to be implemented, but I cant find any current news about it past May of 2014. I see that Ruger and S&W did the right thing and decided not to participate. I am also curious as to WHY IN THE HECK would law enforcement weapons be exempt? what is the basis for that? doesn't that just lend to the new narrative that cops can get away with murder? I would be surprised the people would put up with that even if they don't really care about microstamping or not. so just wondering if any CA residents had any updated news on the subject and could say if it's actually being implemented or if the pending lawsuits have it hold.

I came acoss this vid which got me thinking about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDUg4E0UAbE

, I liked hearing from ruger's executive. I agree with 99% of the vid except when they start comparing the material of the cases(stell,al,brass etc), not sure what that has to do with the primer, although I understand primers CAN be made of different materials

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Because law enforcement doesn't want it to be positively proven which officer fired what round, why else?
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First of all, that's not the sort of accusation we need to be making without evidence.

Second, microstamping simply doesn't work. For anybody. Maryland ran the MD-IBIS program from 2001 to 2005. It was an utter failure.

(…) one year later, the Maryland State Police Forensic Sciences Division reversed course, citing “the failure of the MD-IBIS to provide any meaningful hits.” The report found that the program “has not met expectations and does not aid in the Mission statement of the Department of State Police.” It recommended that the data collection be suspended and that MD-IBIS staff be transferred to the DNA database unit.
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In 2007, SAAMI reported that the New York version of the program has failed to turn up a single useful hit, and that as of September 2008, it's backlogged three years.
 
I saw in the video where a pawn shop owner was showing all the guns that he couldn't sell anymore. does that mean California is still actively going forward with this?
 
Because law enforcement doesn't want it to be positively proven which officer fired what round, why else?
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Why else? indeed...

perhaps its because law enforcement still wants to be able to buy guns?

The unstated (but I believe desired effect) of microstamping laws are to create conditions where gun makers cannot, or will not comply, and thereby reduce the amount (and type) of guns available for sale in CA.

I believe THAT (and making a profit for the mircrostamp patent holders) is their main intent, and the rest is just smoke and mirrors, window dressing to make the requirement seem like it will do something to fight crime.

Think about it for a moment, and turn the coin over. The Police ought to be absolutely in favor of microstamping for all their guns (or would be if it actually worked), because it would conclusively prove if a suspect round was fired from a LEO's gun, or not.

The reason LEO was exempted is so that when the gun makers stop selling regular guns in CA, because ordinary citizens cannot buy regular guns, only ones that microstamp, the CA police organizations can still buy regular guns, and be in compliance with the law.

If they weren't exempted, CA LEOs would find themselves legally disarmed when their current pistols wear out. (which is what the anti gunners want for civilians) as no one is currently (or foreseeably) making a gun that microstamps in compliance with CA law.

It's not even remotely about whether or not the idea would work to aid law enforcement (and ALL previous attempts at something like this have proven to be total wastes of money), its about setting a standard that no one will reach, and thereby reducing the supply of new guns available to CA citizens.

Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it. ;)
 
The unstated (but I believe desired effect) of microstamping laws are to create conditions where gun makers cannot, or will not comply, and thereby reduce the amount (and type) of guns available for sale in CA.
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It looks like this will be the case. S&W and Ruger both stated last January that they would not be making pistols compliant with the law. I don't imagine Glock will be in a hurry to do so, either.

The result is that the consumer will be left with fewer options, and those options will be prohibitively expensive.
 
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