My cut and paste didn't - the word "to kill" should be in the title.
Boy, remind me never to make any sudden moves at THIS hospital!
Detroit Medical Center Files Petitions Seeking the Right for its Guards To Shoot to Kill, Reports the Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.
BINGHAM FARMS, Mich., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire/ --
The following press release was issued today by the Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.:
We usually think of hospitals as trying to save lives. In an ironic twist, the Detroit Medical Center filed a petition on Friday, October 20, 2000 with the Michigan Supreme Court seeking the right to have its security force shoot to kill wrongdoers, even when the victim poses no immediate danger of harm to anyone.
The Detroit Medical Center is currently being sued by a 46-year-old,
African-American by the name of Archie Lloyd. Mr. Lloyd was driving out of the Detroit Receiving Hospital parking lot in a friend's car. Unfortunately for Mr. Lloyd, his friend was a suspected car thief whose distinctive old white car with brown doors had been spotted before in a prior theft at a Detroit Medical Center parking lot.
Although Mr. Lloyd was unarmed and was
traveling at a slow speed, when he refused to stop upon command, he was repeatedly shot. Security Officer James Lee Gray, shot six times hitting Mr. Lloyd with three of his bullets. The fifth bullet traveled through the open passenger window, struck Mr. Lloyd in the right side of his back,
traveled across his spinal cord, destroyed his left kidney and his spleen.
Mr. Lloyd is now a paraplegic, permanently paralyzed from the waist down. Mr. Lloyd is suing the Detroit Medical Center seeking compensation for his injuries.
On Friday, October 20, 2000, two things happened. First, an Application for Leave to Appeal and Motion for Immediate Consideration was filed with the Michigan Supreme Court. The request to the Supreme Court is to reinstate a defense that would excuse the shooting, even if there was no need for self defense.
Under Defendants theory, if Plaintiff had engaged in wrongful conduct before the shooting, such as car theft or driving at one of the guards, even if the shooting was not justified by the need for self defense,
the shooting would be excused.
In the second development on Friday, the trial court judge Daphne Means Curtis heard arguments on Defendant's request to excuse the shooting if Defendant could prove Mr. Lloyd was a fleeing felon, even if there was no need for self defense. Judge Curtis denied the motion.
According to Plaintiff's attorney Steven E. Goren, the power being sought by the Detroit Medical Center in both instances would give them the right to shoot to kill in circumstances when even the Police do not have that right.
"Defendant actually argued to Judge Curtis that their guards have more power to shoot to kill than the Police," according to Goren.
"While we were arguing our motions in the Wayne County Circuit Court on Friday, there was a rally to 'Stop Police Violence.' I find it ironic, sad and somewhat scary, that a hospital in Detroit feels that its guards should have more power than the police to use deadly force," Mr. Goren states.
Trial is set to begin on Monday, November 6, 2000 in the Wayne County courtroom of Judge Daphne Means Curtis. Steven E. Goren may be reached at 248-408-0051 or 248-540-3100.
SOURCE Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.
©1996-1999 PR Newswire
This was also posted on the FreeRepublic board, with the following post by a reader (Magician):
"I worked for 2 1/2 years at Detroit Receiving Hospital. It is also known as the Detroit Knife and Gun Club. The officers guarding that place DEFINIITELY need the right to shoot to kill.
It's hard to know who is the most dangerous: the patients, their visitors, or the hospital staff. Here are some examples from the relatively short time I worked there.
* The Assistant Administrator of the hopital was shot to death in a love triangle involving two male (one white, one black) and one female (white) administrators. The black administrator made threats against the white administrator and one day brought a rifle into the hospital. He shot the Assistant Administrator through his office door. He then let the Assistant Administrator bleed to death on the floor of his office while engaging in a gun battle with the police.
* A nurse's aide in the ER was incensed by impolite remarks directed at her by a patient's friend. She was so angry that she went and got a scalpel and cut the person's throat. The jury in the Detroit Recorder's Court (now defunct) found it to be justifiable homicide on the basis of the bad language used toward her. She was found innocent and and hospital had to rehire her.
* I was responsible for running one of the departments in the hospital. I was trying to fire one of the technologists in the department who was totally incompetant and a paranoid schizophrenic. When her car caught fire in the garage when she tried to start it one day (someone had stolen the carburator) I found my self accused of attempted murder by said technologist.
* One of the X-ray techs was charged with murder because she deliberately ran over a pedestrian outside the hospital. Her defense was that the person was jaywalking. The recorder's Court jury agreed with her and let her go.
* Myself and four other administrators were getting into a car at the front door when a gunfight erupted around us between the police and four bank robbers in a neighboring car. Even though about 30 shot were fired, not a single bullet hit anyone.
I now live in a small southern city where in most neighbohoods one can leave the door unlocked without any problems."
Someone asked him how it compared to the South. he replied, "I like living in the South, but don't really think that people are that different anywhere.
All of the episodes that I posted above were examples of the violence and lawlessness inherent in the Detroit black community. From what I have heard, places like Grady Hospital in Atlanta and Charity Hospital in New Orleans are almost as rough, and for the same reason."
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Man, I have even greater respect for the people who work in those conditions!
[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited October 21, 2000).]
Boy, remind me never to make any sudden moves at THIS hospital!
Detroit Medical Center Files Petitions Seeking the Right for its Guards To Shoot to Kill, Reports the Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.
BINGHAM FARMS, Mich., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire/ --
The following press release was issued today by the Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.:
We usually think of hospitals as trying to save lives. In an ironic twist, the Detroit Medical Center filed a petition on Friday, October 20, 2000 with the Michigan Supreme Court seeking the right to have its security force shoot to kill wrongdoers, even when the victim poses no immediate danger of harm to anyone.
The Detroit Medical Center is currently being sued by a 46-year-old,
African-American by the name of Archie Lloyd. Mr. Lloyd was driving out of the Detroit Receiving Hospital parking lot in a friend's car. Unfortunately for Mr. Lloyd, his friend was a suspected car thief whose distinctive old white car with brown doors had been spotted before in a prior theft at a Detroit Medical Center parking lot.
Although Mr. Lloyd was unarmed and was
traveling at a slow speed, when he refused to stop upon command, he was repeatedly shot. Security Officer James Lee Gray, shot six times hitting Mr. Lloyd with three of his bullets. The fifth bullet traveled through the open passenger window, struck Mr. Lloyd in the right side of his back,
traveled across his spinal cord, destroyed his left kidney and his spleen.
Mr. Lloyd is now a paraplegic, permanently paralyzed from the waist down. Mr. Lloyd is suing the Detroit Medical Center seeking compensation for his injuries.
On Friday, October 20, 2000, two things happened. First, an Application for Leave to Appeal and Motion for Immediate Consideration was filed with the Michigan Supreme Court. The request to the Supreme Court is to reinstate a defense that would excuse the shooting, even if there was no need for self defense.
Under Defendants theory, if Plaintiff had engaged in wrongful conduct before the shooting, such as car theft or driving at one of the guards, even if the shooting was not justified by the need for self defense,
the shooting would be excused.
In the second development on Friday, the trial court judge Daphne Means Curtis heard arguments on Defendant's request to excuse the shooting if Defendant could prove Mr. Lloyd was a fleeing felon, even if there was no need for self defense. Judge Curtis denied the motion.
According to Plaintiff's attorney Steven E. Goren, the power being sought by the Detroit Medical Center in both instances would give them the right to shoot to kill in circumstances when even the Police do not have that right.
"Defendant actually argued to Judge Curtis that their guards have more power to shoot to kill than the Police," according to Goren.
"While we were arguing our motions in the Wayne County Circuit Court on Friday, there was a rally to 'Stop Police Violence.' I find it ironic, sad and somewhat scary, that a hospital in Detroit feels that its guards should have more power than the police to use deadly force," Mr. Goren states.
Trial is set to begin on Monday, November 6, 2000 in the Wayne County courtroom of Judge Daphne Means Curtis. Steven E. Goren may be reached at 248-408-0051 or 248-540-3100.
SOURCE Law Firm of Goren & Goren, P.C.
©1996-1999 PR Newswire
This was also posted on the FreeRepublic board, with the following post by a reader (Magician):
"I worked for 2 1/2 years at Detroit Receiving Hospital. It is also known as the Detroit Knife and Gun Club. The officers guarding that place DEFINIITELY need the right to shoot to kill.
It's hard to know who is the most dangerous: the patients, their visitors, or the hospital staff. Here are some examples from the relatively short time I worked there.
* The Assistant Administrator of the hopital was shot to death in a love triangle involving two male (one white, one black) and one female (white) administrators. The black administrator made threats against the white administrator and one day brought a rifle into the hospital. He shot the Assistant Administrator through his office door. He then let the Assistant Administrator bleed to death on the floor of his office while engaging in a gun battle with the police.
* A nurse's aide in the ER was incensed by impolite remarks directed at her by a patient's friend. She was so angry that she went and got a scalpel and cut the person's throat. The jury in the Detroit Recorder's Court (now defunct) found it to be justifiable homicide on the basis of the bad language used toward her. She was found innocent and and hospital had to rehire her.
* I was responsible for running one of the departments in the hospital. I was trying to fire one of the technologists in the department who was totally incompetant and a paranoid schizophrenic. When her car caught fire in the garage when she tried to start it one day (someone had stolen the carburator) I found my self accused of attempted murder by said technologist.
* One of the X-ray techs was charged with murder because she deliberately ran over a pedestrian outside the hospital. Her defense was that the person was jaywalking. The recorder's Court jury agreed with her and let her go.
* Myself and four other administrators were getting into a car at the front door when a gunfight erupted around us between the police and four bank robbers in a neighboring car. Even though about 30 shot were fired, not a single bullet hit anyone.
I now live in a small southern city where in most neighbohoods one can leave the door unlocked without any problems."
Someone asked him how it compared to the South. he replied, "I like living in the South, but don't really think that people are that different anywhere.
All of the episodes that I posted above were examples of the violence and lawlessness inherent in the Detroit black community. From what I have heard, places like Grady Hospital in Atlanta and Charity Hospital in New Orleans are almost as rough, and for the same reason."
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Man, I have even greater respect for the people who work in those conditions!
[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited October 21, 2000).]