Uncle Buck
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If someone is determined, by the mental health profession or the courts, to be ...not in their right mind, how is it reported to NCIC? I am assuming it is, but the process is unclear to me.
True, but had the Pima sheriff charged Laughner for the threatening phone calls he was known to be making, he would have been charged. At that point, adjudication by a judge would have prevented him from purchasing a firearm.It takes more than just seeing a psychiatrist to be flagged.
If he'd been convicted of a felony (terroristic threats would qualify, I think), that would have taken care of it right there.Tom Servo said:True, but had the Pima sheriff charged Laughner for the threatening phone calls he was known to be making, he would have been charged. At that point, adjudication by a judge would have prevented him from purchasing a firearm.Vanya said:It takes more than just seeing a psychiatrist to be flagged.
Uncle Buck said:I am going to try to get a hold of someone in the mental health career field tomorrow and see what the VAs' system is and if it would effect them.
There is no way of knowing what a court might (or might not) have adjudicated, since it didn't happen. The court might have slapped him with a fine for making harassing phone calls and sent him on his way.Tom Servo said:True, but had the Pima sheriff charged Laughner for the threatening phone calls he was known to be making, he would have been charged. At that point, adjudication by a judge would have prevented him from purchasing a firearm.
If I were using the VA healthcare system, they are the LAST place I'd go for psychological or psychiatric help. Just like some shrinks overdiagnosing ADHD and overprescribing Ritalin for kids who just want to be kids, the VA system is currently fixated on PTSD. Couple that with the fact that the VA system in reality has comparatively few experienced doctors and a LOT of interns and residents (i.e. medical students) and you have a recipe for getting a lot of people's rights to firearms taken away improperly due to misdiagnosis and an overabundance of caution.Uncle Buck said:I am going to try to get a hold of someone in the mental health career field tomorrow and see what the VAs' system is and if it would effect them.
Couple that with the fact that the VA system in reality has comparatively few experienced doctors and a LOT of interns and residents (i.e. medical students) and you have a recipe for getting a lot of people's rights to firearms taken away improperly due to misdiagnosis and an overabundance of caution.
Do you know of any cases in vets have lost their rights that way, AB? The standard for involuntary commitment is behavior, not just diagnosis, whether the latter is accurate or not.
Sure there are -- but it ain't gonna happen in the current political climate, any more than things like renewing the AWB are going to happen.Nnobby45 said:It's also a matter of what future criteria will be as determined by anti-gun lawmakers. If such veterans haven't lost their rights (yet), there are those who would like to change that.Vanya said:Do you know of any cases in vets have lost their rights that way, AB? The standard for involuntary commitment is behavior, not just diagnosis, whether the latter is accurate or not.