Measuring spread on a Group?

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When measuring a spread on a target group is the standard measurement the radius or the diameter of the group??

saw this on ballistics for Winchester 124gr fmj...
• Accuracy: Product mean of 4.25” Extreme Spread – Five shot targets at 50 yards from a SAMMI standard 4” test barrel.
anyone know what is "Extreme Spread"?? thanks
 
I use the Paper Plate Rule when measuring my shot groups, if there all with in the paper plate at the 21' range, I am happy. orchidhunter
 
If I get your question right, to measure a group:

You take the measurements of out side of the two holes, that are the fartherest apart. The you substract the diameter of the round. The gives you the distance of the two bullets, center to center.

Example you have a 1' group shooting a 308 bullet. Subtract the .30 from 1 inch would give you a .7" group, (center of the bullets).
 
Square off the groups to highest/lowest, right/left from the center of the bullet holes.

Measure up to down, right to left.
 
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Elvishead,

I think the method that you describe would give different group sizes according to the orientation of the paper.

- Sriracha
 
The conventional way to measure groups is to measure the center-to-center distance between the two bullet holes farthest apart in the group.

Probably the most common way that is done is to follow the procedure kraigwy describes. Measure the distance between the outside edges of the two bullet holes farthest apart in the group and then subtract the nominal bullet diameter. That's fine for fairly large groups (relative to caliber) or as long as the bullet holes in the target paper are very close to the nominal bullet diameter. It may seem counterintuitive, but it's possible (and not unusual) for the bullet holes to be considerably smaller than the bullet diameter, particularly when the profile of the bullet nose is rounded.
 
Measuring group size:

I have done it a number of different ways, but the best way I have found for me is to use is a 8" paper plate rule (that my Dad showed me years ago). This is not for measuring a target gun but for self defense type weapons. He said, "starting out, you place the paper plate at 5 yards distance and your goal is to place all shots within the 8" plate". After you can do this on a regular basis with no problems, you move the paper plate out to 10 yards and do the same thing.
You keep doing this until you will get to a particular yardage where you can't keep all your shots in the paper plate anymore. The distance where you can, is your confidence range and where you and your gun will perform at their optimal/best accuracy. I still do this today, especially when trying out a new pistol I just purchased.
 
Sriracha:

Elvishead,

I think the method that you describe would give different group sizes according to the orientation of the paper.

- Sriracha


This is what I meant if I didn't explain myself very well. The larger square is how I measure my groups, if I measure them at all.
 

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This is what I meant if I didn't explain myself very well. The larger square is how I measure my groups, if I measure them at all.

This is somewhat similar to the procedure that I developed some years ago. The standard "group size" procedure, i.e., maximum spread, is statistically unsatisfying because you can never make the group smaller with additional shots, even if all those shots go through the same hole - one flyer can determine the group size, so all the information provided by those other shots is, in effect, wasted. There is a much better way.

I put all shots taken in a string into a standard x,y coordinate system where the aiming point is 0,0. Shots in the upper right quadrant are therefore +x,+y, lower right are +x-y, and so forth. It's then a simple matter to calculate the group center (which is the average x and average y), and then, using the good old Pythagorean Theorem, to calculate the distance that each shot is from that center. Averaging the individual deviations then gives you a measure of how "off" a typical shot is from the group center, which is a much more useful measure of precision than maximum spread. It's also possible for additional shots in a string to result in a smaller average deviation, which is as it should be.

This all happens on an Excel spreadsheet and is pretty straightforward, though it does take a bit of time to get the coordinates for each shot (much quicker since I got a pair of digital calipers). The same spreadsheet also calculates the distance between all pairs of shots and then selects the largest, providing the standard "maximum spread" measure for comparison.
 
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