Maybe this is why the pols want Californians disarmed

Oatka

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A friend of ours in Kalif reports her power bill was $300 last month (they just deregulated utilities). Claims they will bail the state at retirement time as it's just too expensive to live there anymore. Maybe that's why the middle class is shrinking - or it might be because the Dems runs everything, thereby destroying the middle class.

They can give courses on how to ruin a good state.
http://www.shns.com/stories/view-story.php?slug=CALINCOME-08-22-00

Report: California's economic picture darkening
By CHRISTIAN BERTHELSEN
San Francisco Examiner

SAN FRANCISCO -- Income for California families is declining against average family incomes for the nation as a whole, according to a report released by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.

Citing what it described as the lasting impact of the cutbacks in the aerospace industry and a large influx of immigrant laborers who are generally younger and less educated, the report found that the economic picture for Californians was not as rosy as it was typically perceived, despite its newly minted dotcom millionaires, movie moguls and real estate barons.

Beyond that, the report also adds to a growing body of work that appears to show the income gap between rich and poor is growing wider and more stark all the time, and may become a factor both as an election-year issue and as a consideration in hearings this fall over whether to raise the minimum wage.

The Legislative Analysts Office, a sort of think tank for the California Legislature, issued a report last month finding that income for the top 20 percent of the state's wage earners had risen while wages for the bottom 80 percent had fallen, in real terms. And the Public Policy Institute of California concluded last year that the growing gap between rich and poor had increased at a rate faster in the Golden State since the 1980s than it had in the nation at large.

Mary Daly, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank, said the purpose of the report was to add some context to the growing debate over the increasing economic stratification.

The news comes even as California's economy has grown at a rate faster than the rest of the nation's over the last five years. It found a greater number of state residents lived in poverty, the middle class was shrinking, and a majority of families had incomes below the level of their counterparts nationwide. While income growth for median families outside of California grew by more than 8 percent between 1989 and 1998, median income inside the state declined by 4 percent.

What is more, the statistics show that California families had higher incomes than families elsewhere in the United States until the 1990s, but that relative gains outside the state began to surpass those of residents inside the state.

"At first glance, the income statistics on California suggest that seven years of economic expansion have left state residents worse off than those residing elsewhere in the U.S.," the report concludes.
 
Greetings,

Not only is the monetary income gap growing, but prices for everything are higher here too, especially housing. A four bedroom tract house in my area that sold for $250,000 in 1993 is now selling for $450,000.

Utility deregulation has hit San Diego county the worst. The only people who can get the legislature to do anything are those, like the utilities, who can "contribute" money to get their attention. Local government gets no help whatsoever from the state government when it comes to passing laws or sharing tax money.

My wife and I can't wait to retire and leave my native state because of what government corruption and the influx of fortune-seekers has done to it.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
"Claims they will bail the state at retirement time as it's just too expensive to live there anymore."

Good luck, California holds that anyone who has every earned money in their "fine" state is liable for the payment of California taxes even if they now live out of state. With the various tax authorities exchanging data it is easy for them to find anyone who has ever earned money or paid taxes to them.
 
If you think the price of electric power is high now, see what happens if Algore gets elected. He has proposed a plan to reduce emmissions from fossil fuel power plants by increasing the cost of electricity to the point where everyone has to cut back on its use. His reasoning; if we use less power, the plants will burn less coal thereby reducing emmissions. That kinda goes along with his thinking that criminals will register their guns too.
 
Greetings Asklepios,

I'm about 99% sure that law was overturned by the federal courts as being an unconstitutional infringement on commerce.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
What has happened in Kal for wage differences has happened all over the country.The old adage the rich get richer and poor get poorer is truer now then its ever been.If anything will cause civil unrest this could.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
Oatka, I got that beat with a $620.00 electric bill this month.

I very much dislike this state,and want to leave asap, just is kinda hard to get up and go, if I have my TRUCK (previous thread) I could leave easier, (I could just run over all the liberals on the way out ;))

As to the wage difference you have to take out the average wage of mexico and just compare those living in "california proper" and it will not be as extreme as it appears.



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I have my escape route mapped out, I'm GONE in December. The ONLY two good things in this state are:

1. The ocean. God, will I miss that.
2. $11 per credit for community college. Although, in retrospect, it would have been cheaper to pay $100 per credit elsewhere and have a 20-40% lower cost of living.

December 19th, 2000 - Goodbye San Diego, Hello Dallas!! (Pour me a shiner :D)
 
Maxinquaye: Might want to consider that this country has more than one coast. There's the east coast, the "south coast" (Gulf of Mexico), and even the "north coast" (The great lakes.)

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Actually, they didn't fully deregulate electricity. The government still sets standards and whatnot.

The real power problem is that, because of environmentalist Democrats, CA hasn't built a new powerplant in almost 20 years.

Maybe we should cut southwestern CA loose to the Aztlan idiots and watch it decline into the cesspool it's sure to become.

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Ledbetter,

The facts you mention are what drove me to leave Orange County (Westminster/Costa Mesa/Newport Beach) after growing up and living there for 47 years and swear never to return.

Unfortunately the SF Bay and East Bay areas seem to be arriving at the same point.

Time to move. Looking at San Louis Obispo or further north. Wife can't handle Arizona or Texas and the other coasts are too humid.

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