oneounceload
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/09/29/east-alton-copper-gang-led-double-lives/
That shortage had to be up from somewhere and might explain why WWB has gone up a little more than normal
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Maybe a reason why ammo costs have risen?
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/09/29/east-alton-copper-gang-led-double-lives/
That shortage had to be up from somewhere and might explain why WWB has gone up a little more than normal
Savage32-20
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Wow this is crazy stuff - Don't think it really is the cause of Ammo prices going up but it could have a little bit to do with it.
For the criminals: Their biggest mistake was living above their means. If they have a $20/hr job and are living a $100/hr lifestyle it's going to get noticed. Maybe not in a city like NYC where no-one really notices what others are doing, but in places like where I live (Greentown PA) where everyone knows everyone and everyone notices everything - It would surely be noticed by a few people. Specially those who they work with who are making about the same wages and can't afford nearly any of the same stuff.
For the City of St. Louis: The efforts they are making are good, but I really don't see it as a solution to a large scale operation. Obviously once something like this legislation is put into place the criminals would simply go someplace that doesn't require ID and pays cash. Yes they may have to drive a little ways away (lets say another state even), but when we are talking $1000's of dollars per trip it's worth it to avoid being caught. A well organized group would be doing this anyway and spreading it out over several scrap dealers in several different places.
For the business owner: I feel bad for them, but not knowing the exact facts of how it was going down. How can you say that 7M of product has gone missing over 3 years and you haven'd done an investigation into it. Most companies I know would do an investigation if $1000 went missing, or at the very least they would make better security measure's to stop it. Yes large companies have higher "acceptable loss rates" but 7M over 3 years?
Just my morning rant!
For the criminals: Their biggest mistake was living above their means. If they have a $20/hr job and are living a $100/hr lifestyle it's going to get noticed. Maybe not in a city like NYC where no-one really notices what others are doing, but in places like where I live (Greentown PA) where everyone knows everyone and everyone notices everything - It would surely be noticed by a few people. Specially those who they work with who are making about the same wages and can't afford nearly any of the same stuff.
For the City of St. Louis: The efforts they are making are good, but I really don't see it as a solution to a large scale operation. Obviously once something like this legislation is put into place the criminals would simply go someplace that doesn't require ID and pays cash. Yes they may have to drive a little ways away (lets say another state even), but when we are talking $1000's of dollars per trip it's worth it to avoid being caught. A well organized group would be doing this anyway and spreading it out over several scrap dealers in several different places.
For the business owner: I feel bad for them, but not knowing the exact facts of how it was going down. How can you say that 7M of product has gone missing over 3 years and you haven'd done an investigation into it. Most companies I know would do an investigation if $1000 went missing, or at the very least they would make better security measure's to stop it. Yes large companies have higher "acceptable loss rates" but 7M over 3 years?
Just my morning rant!
Increased international demand for lead, copper & brass (among other things), primarily by China and India has some effect. Increased transportation costs (big difference between $2 and $4 for a gallon of fuel) plays a part.
But the biggest thing is the value of our dollar. Which has been going down steadily for some years now. Bring the value (buying power) of a dollar back to what was before 2000 and EVERYTHING will be "cheaper".
But the biggest thing is the value of our dollar. Which has been going down steadily for some years now. Bring the value (buying power) of a dollar back to what was before 2000 and EVERYTHING will be "cheaper".
Yes large companies have higher "acceptable loss rates" but 7M over 3 years?
I can easily see this happening. If we were talking about cash, then yes 7M would be easy to spot as missing. However, when you are talking about raw materials that are bought in large and stored in large quantities it becomes quite reasonable. It would take a very sophisticated and detailed cost accounting system to distinguish what was lost by theft as opposed to what was lost by simple waste or other non-theft inventory shrinkage.
44AMP has it right. There was a ~30% jump in rifle ammo prices back in autumn of 2006. Apparently, manufacturers had been trying not to pass on the increases in the cost of raw materials for some time, but they finally gave up.
Of course, I try telling that to people who haven't shot since 1987 and blame it on the current administration, but my explanations fall on deaf ears.
Of course, I try telling that to people who haven't shot since 1987 and blame it on the current administration, but my explanations fall on deaf ears.
The weakening of the dollar was also a major player in the fuel costs of 2008. The cost of fuel relative to the Euro didn't really change all that dramatically, back then. However, if one looks at the dollar's fall, relative to the Euro, the gas prices of 2008 make much more sense.
As do today's ammo costs.
As do today's ammo costs.
Dr. Strangelove
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Ammo is higher now, but it hasn't risen as much as other products. I got back into shooting 3 years ago after a twenty year break, gas, fishing lures, cable bills, etc., have all risen much higher proportionately.