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Max effecitve range?
- Thread starter Fred S
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Anything the manufacturer believes would get the sale. I think this means the max range at which the bullet is still lethal/dangerous. This is why when you read the back of a 22 box you get something like 2 miles. Dont know about you, but I dont think I could hit anything at 2 miles with a 22; or anything hand held for that matter. My def. is the range I can consistently hit my target with a particular weapon.
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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
David Scott
New member
Considering the "spray and pray" method often used with modern full auto weapons, the max range at which the bullet is still lethal may be relevant. IMHO the range at which you can HIT a target deliberately is more important. With an M-16, that's a couple hundred yards max for an average GI. OTOH, that new SIG Arms Blaser in .308 ought to be good for 1000 yards plus. Every military/paramilitary unit ought to have a well equipped sniper.
Max effective and maximum range colors of a different horse.
Maximum range is distance to first point of impact assuming departure angle of thirty degrees.......Lyman 46, XIX 3.
Still lookin for military defination of effective range.
Sam...If I can see it, I can hit it; with enough time and ammo.
Maximum range is distance to first point of impact assuming departure angle of thirty degrees.......Lyman 46, XIX 3.
Still lookin for military defination of effective range.
Sam...If I can see it, I can hit it; with enough time and ammo.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
SFAIK, the maximum effective range has nothing to do with aimed fire. It's range limit at which the projectile can still injure or kill.
There is a case of a man killed by a .270 bullet--from the lack of expansion, and the probable angle, it was guesstimated that a deer hunter some mile or more away had just turned a bullet loose. Missed his deer, or "just shot". The deceased was painting his house; the bullet never exited his head.
The term has meaning mostly in machine gun fire at an assault while the attackers are still "way out yonder".
The original .30-'06 rounds for the Springfield, with the 172-grain boattail, were deemed effective at one mile, with a maximum range of two miles, IIRC. (I'm away from my reference material, so correct me if you have better data.)
I do recall for sure from Korea that our .50s were called effective to 3,500 yards, with a max range of 5,300 yards.
FWIW, Art
[This message has been edited by Art Eatman (edited September 22, 2000).]
There is a case of a man killed by a .270 bullet--from the lack of expansion, and the probable angle, it was guesstimated that a deer hunter some mile or more away had just turned a bullet loose. Missed his deer, or "just shot". The deceased was painting his house; the bullet never exited his head.
The term has meaning mostly in machine gun fire at an assault while the attackers are still "way out yonder".
The original .30-'06 rounds for the Springfield, with the 172-grain boattail, were deemed effective at one mile, with a maximum range of two miles, IIRC. (I'm away from my reference material, so correct me if you have better data.)
I do recall for sure from Korea that our .50s were called effective to 3,500 yards, with a max range of 5,300 yards.
FWIW, Art
[This message has been edited by Art Eatman (edited September 22, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>SFAIK, the maximum effective range has nothing to do with aimed fire. It's range limit at which the projectile can still injure or kill.[/quote]
Not so. Since it takes only a few hundred feet per second of velocity to inflict a lethal wound, and since bullets are being accelerated by gravity at the end of their trajectories, the maximum "wounding" range is nearly equal to the maximum range in most cases.
The military definition of maximum effective range is probably something like "The greatest range at which a trained operator in ideal conditions has at least a 50% chance of hitting the target". Thus the USMC teaches its recruits that the maximum effective range of the M16A2 service rifle is 550 meters against "point targets" (people standing in the open) and 800 meters against "area targets" (such as defensive positions being suppressed). The maximum effective range of most service pistols is listed as about 50 meters.
The 62 grain bullet fired by an M16A2 can still inflict a lethal wound at 1000 meters, where it's moving with at least the muzzle velocity of a .22 Short, but the odds of actually hitting the target at that range are verrrrrry slim.
Not so. Since it takes only a few hundred feet per second of velocity to inflict a lethal wound, and since bullets are being accelerated by gravity at the end of their trajectories, the maximum "wounding" range is nearly equal to the maximum range in most cases.
The military definition of maximum effective range is probably something like "The greatest range at which a trained operator in ideal conditions has at least a 50% chance of hitting the target". Thus the USMC teaches its recruits that the maximum effective range of the M16A2 service rifle is 550 meters against "point targets" (people standing in the open) and 800 meters against "area targets" (such as defensive positions being suppressed). The maximum effective range of most service pistols is listed as about 50 meters.
The 62 grain bullet fired by an M16A2 can still inflict a lethal wound at 1000 meters, where it's moving with at least the muzzle velocity of a .22 Short, but the odds of actually hitting the target at that range are verrrrrry slim.
From Dictionary of weapons and military terms;
Maximum Effective Range
The maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to deliver its destructive charge with the accuracy specified to inflict prescribed damage.
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Maximum Effective Range
The maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to deliver its destructive charge with the accuracy specified to inflict prescribed damage.
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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
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Gunslinger
Moderator
I think beemerb pretty much hit it.
The maximum range that a given weapon may consistantly engage and nutralize a target.
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Gunslinger
I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
The maximum range that a given weapon may consistantly engage and nutralize a target.
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Gunslinger
I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!